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Just upgraded my kitty weapon....OR DID I ?
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Post by
etrin
I changed my weapon out and this happened?
I changed from Icier Barbed Spear
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=41815
to this Silvery Sylvan Stave
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45128
comparison
the stave has these + on the barbed
41 Agi
46 Sta
630 Armor
46 AP
578 Feral AP
41.3 DPS
I thought man I am going to kick some arse now.
UH this aint happening?
My dps dropped?
so I went to town and just attacked 80 target dummy.
with just a simple rotation mangle , rake, rip, mangle , mangle , mangle , bite ....repeat
I was 143dps lower with the new weapon.
I noticed I was getting more combo points with the blue weapon.
How did I get so many more combo points?
ok lots of variables there especialy with rip so I just hit mangle over and over with both
51dps lower with the new weapon.
Man what is going on this does not make any since to me at all.
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ps edit yes it is mangle...doh
but with this weapon being so much higher in every stat I thought I should see some improvement.
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151385
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Post by
Aadramelekh
You know, for a statistical analysis to be of any use, you need to have a large enough data sample. Test your DPS rotation for 3 minutes, 5 times with each weapon. Write down your results and then calculate an average per weapon, compare.
If you want to see the simple basic difference, then don't perform any rotation at all. Just auto attack and do that for 5 minutes with each weapon. I GUARANTEE you'll see a higher DPS with your epic weapon equipped.
Due to the nature of feral DPS being based on RNG (heavily crit based, 2CP provided for each crit, Clearcasting), your trial may simply mean an unlucky streak of no Clearcasts and / or critical hits.
Perform 5 tests with each weapon and see your results. If you are still getting lower average DPS with a weapon that provides ~700 more attack power, then something is wrong with you I reckon O_o
Post by
Timmeh
Err, did you forget Savage Roar in that rotation?
Also, how long did you test your DPS for? You'll need to do about 10 minutes to balance out RNG issues if you want a decent sample.
Post by
etrin
thanks guys. I know that I did not do a very scientific test. I was convinced before I started that the epic should have shown a big increase in damage. Of course with ooc procs and crits it would have taken a long time to get a clear picture. I understand that but a 3 min rotation of each weapon and when I looked at pure dps and I was down 143dps I knew something was wrong. I was so surprised that I did not know exactly what I was looking at, at first I thought I had looked at the weapons backwards since that was what I was expecting as a damage increase. I then decied to just spam a single attack over and over with both it was better and should have removed all the variations of my first pitiful rotation and still the barb was 51 dps higher.
The -9 in crit can't make a difference and I thought with the +agi alone would have made it better.
I was just shocked and decied to ask if what I saw was possible.
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203406
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Post by
Lightrain
with just a simple rotation mangle , rake, rip, mangle , mangle , mangle , bite ....repeat
I was 143dps lower with the new weapon.
I noticed I was getting more combo points with the blue weapon.
How did I get so many more combo points?
For starters, fix your "rotation." DPS does not spam mangle. I ran into a buddy who asked me why I spec the way I do for PvP since I don't use imp mangle. My response, "LoL! You spam mangle? It's all about the shred. You can't kill things with mangle spam."
After that, the whole "but how do you shred in pvp?" thing. One day later, he whispers me excited that he's doing way more damage.
Moral of the story- Use mangle as a debuff, and a last resort attack. If you can't get shred off after a bit, use mangle.
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247254
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Post by
Thror
Have you checked your weapon skills?
I was reading this and it occurred to me that perhaps your weapon skill with staves is lower than with polearms. That would absolutely account for your reduced DPS.
Give that a look and if I'm right, leveling it will make a huge difference in your DPS.
Ignore this guy. He is wrong. Weapon skill does not matter.
Post by
wilroz
Have you checked your weapon skills?
I was reading this and it occurred to me that perhaps your weapon skill with staves is lower than with polearms. That would absolutely account for your reduced DPS.
Give that a look and if I'm right, leveling it will make a huge difference in your DPS.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you have a "built-in" weapon skill when transformed.
Post by
Fanoran
yup. your paws are always maxed out. All a weapon does for us is give us the stats on it. The DPS on it is useless.
Anyone remember back in the BC when Mongoose wouldn't proc for us? =(
Post by
etrin
I have been very busy and not able to play much so I have not had time to test this more.
But lets forget rotations and dps and all this.
the weapon adds this to my kitty
41 Agi
46 Sta
630 Armor
46 AP
578 Feral AP
-9 crit
Just saying more agi and ap should have made it better shouldn't it?
HELL its purple that makes it better ROFL
Post by
Moush
Do the tests Aadra mentioned. He knows far more than you. Read the guide to feral dps. Then read it again. Then go back and look over the confusing parts again. There is no set 'rotation' for feral dps.
You're doing it wrong.
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127599
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Post by
thelaks
The weapon is a serious upgrade for you. Do white damage comparison and you should see.
And fix your rotation. Use shred. Read about combo points.
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247254
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Post by
asakawa
mangle > savage roar > rake > shred > tiger's fury > shred to 5CPs > rip
from here maintain all debuffs using the priority:
mangle
savage roar
rip
rake
if you have 5CPs and >7 seconds on both rip and savage roar then use FB.
some people like to do a 2CP SR when opening, personally i like to get it up early and even at 1CP it lasts easily long enough to get your other debuffs up before it needs refreshing.
the staff is a huge upgrade. the testing was bad.
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