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3.3.3 Holy Paladin end-game PvE guide [Outdated 4.0+]
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frmorrison
Are the Divine Sacrifice/Divine Guardian changes improving or decreasing the effectiveness of 51/17/0+3 in comparison to 51/0/18+2? That is, is 20% reduced damage for 6 seconds better than what DS+DG used to be pulling off, worse or just about the same?
Some it is better and others it is worse. The best thing about the new DG is that you can use it every 2 minutes safely, using /cancelaura Divine Sacrifice as necessary.
While this guide is decent, here is another one that covers some different Holy topics.
http://elitistjerks.com/f76/t84922-holy_paladin_compendium_3_3_a
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pezz
Wow sorry I had no idea I missed that post. DG/DS has been nerfed slightly but sub-prot builds are still better than sub-ret builds. We're very much a cooldown based healing class. With two spammable spells we'd have to be.
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dizz81
I'm 1/2 way thru 73 and I just took holy as secondary spec.. So I've been queuing up for dungeons as healer/tank.. I've run a few as heals and entirely different from my priest main..
My question (this may have come up already but haven't noticed), Divine Plea.. Is there any way to keeping it up all the time?
I know when I tank it's up the entire time unless the healer is on a mana break but then I apply it again and it's up all the time cause I'm hitting something.. I've noticed it only refreshes on Hammer of Righteous..
Maybe a clarification but is it when you melee or just when you use HoR?
Oh and healbot isn't working out all that great for pally heals.. Unless I haven't set it up right.. But it's just not reading anything I can cleanse..
thanks for any help in advance
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pezz
You wouldn't want to keep Divine Plea up all the time as a healer. It would end up costing you more mana than you saved in extra healing, and you'd still have people dying constantly. You can't do that anyway though. The talent that lets you maintain it is a deep prot talent.
I have no idea how you think you're casting HoR while Holy specced, I think I'm just misunerstanding your post.
Healbot should show debuffs if you mess around with it. I don't use it anymore, though, so I'm not sure which buttons to press.
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dizz81
ok thanks for the clarification.. I guess I was misunderstanding the tooltip and assumed it was heals done to me..
oh and yeah I was wondering about the renewing of divine plea in prot.. Sorry guess I tossed 2 things in at once..
thanks again
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dizz81
I would think pally healers are definitely worth noting..
Beacon of light is great.. Put it on the tank and heal away at everyone else and you add to the healing the tank gets..
You can't beat that really..
When I heal I toss beacon on the tank and FoL whoever else in the instance takes dmg the tank gets healed for w/e I heal them for..
Right now each of my FoL hits for around 1.5k and crits for almot 3k so I rarely put a direct heal on the tank and if I do it's cause most of the group consists of ranged dps or to top off the tank..
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ElderDruid
OK I respecced and healed a few heroics, and what it think....
Healing is such an effort....
I have "Healbot" so im left clicking FoL and right cicking HL on my party. I beacon and SS the tank and click away. But its a bit of a hassle watching to make sure the beacon is still on him and the SS is up and running.
Amadoin it rite?
Don't get me started on trying to cleanse a whole party with a stacking poison and trying to heal....
Ah well i bet u holy's are loling but I'll get used to it.
Healbot is the right thing addon yar...?
As for my gear, i've sorced a whole epic set of mail/cloth/leather/plate healing gear (not gemming or enchanting it) its just to last me until Turaylon's.
I'd link my armory but its not updated yet
I use Decursive for cleansing, which I find makes the whole thing pretty simple.
As for keeping an eye on BoL and SS on the tank, Healbot can show when these buffs are applied to any party member and will also display a countdown when they are about to expire.
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svirve
Then you need to modify your healbot.
When i used it (quite some time ago though) it wouldn't normally show it but it was quite easy to set it up to do just that.
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pezz
As for my gear, i've sorced a whole epic set of mail/cloth/leather/plate healing gear (not gemming or enchanting it) its just to last me until Turaylon's.
You're just getting T9 because the gear has better stats than anything else availble, right? Because the set bonuses are the most loltastic thing I've ever seen Blizzard do.
Also, are you sub-prot specced with the Beacon glyph? A lot less cooldown watching with those two bonuses. As for stacking poisons if you're referring to the HoR poison that comes three stacked and does laughable damage I wouldn't bother dispelling it. Off the top of my head I can't think of any other quickly stacking poisons one encounters.
And about Healbot: I'm not sure how to help anymore. I haven't used it in a long time. I switched to Grid because I personally felt healbot was no longer as pretty as it used to be and just got used to Grid.
I don't know why I thought it was easier to switch addons than just configure the old one, but that's what I did.
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The bonuses are horrible because you should already be judging as often as you have a spare GCD for the mana returns, and the FoL HoT isn't fantastic to begin with. I try to keep it on the tank but I more or less ignore it as soon as I start running low on GCD's, and an extra 1k hps or whatever wouldn't make me change my mind about that.
But like rob1n said, a stat upgrade is a stat upgrade. Bad bonuses definitely never hurt anyone.
Edit: These last couple of posts have made me realize the sub-ret build becomes obsolete
extremely
quickly nowadays. I've updated the guide slightly to reflect that.
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