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Post by
R1TeR
Im thinking why would Thrall give leadership of the horde to someone like Garrosh,yes hes a tough guy but he anit nothing like his father....yet.
Why doesnt he give lead over to someone like Saurfang or Carnie even to Vol jin all these people i would like to have as warchief over Garrosh.
Anyways what do yall think of these people being warchief?
Post by
Patty
Garrosh hasn't been confirmed as being made Warchief.
Please remember that the Lore information came from SomethingAwful.com.
Post by
R1TeR
i know this is just what if?
Post by
Patty
This has probably been discussed in the
Cataclysm
and
Thrall vs Garrosh
threads.
Post by
taurenmoo812
This has probably been discussed in the
Cataclysm
and
Thrall vs Garrosh
threads.
But its still worth talking about.
I didn't believe the stuff mentioned on the leaked expansion notes, about old world azeroth changing, about tauren paladins and dwarf shamans.. but it did happen.
And so people are inclinded to believe the leaked lore too about thrall needing to give leadership of the horde to garrosh well he goes with malfurion to try to help fix the world. It was said by a blizzard dev that because of Thrall being the most powerful shaman on azeroth, that is duty as warchief fell less than his duty to calming the elements and stopping all of azeroth being destroyed.
Post by
Skreeran
Saurfang wouldn't make a good Warchief, honestly. He's a man of action, and while he makes a fantastic general/High Overlord, he'd be bogged down by the politics of being Warchief.
Cairne might be good, but he's certainly getting up there in years, and that might lead to the whole Garrosh situation of young whippersnappers challenging his authority even more.
Vol'jin just doesn't have it in him, I think. I mean, what inspiring or heroic thing has he ever done?
Thrall is best for the job, Saurfang the Younger would have made a good candidate... Other than that... I don't know, Nazgrel? Rexxar?
Post by
Adamsm
Yeah, Rexxar won't do it, it would mean going back to Azeroth and leaving his people behind, I don't think we will see him in the expansion.
Post by
HiVolt
Thrall is best for the job, Saurfang the Younger would have made a good candidate... Other than that... I don't know, Nazgrel? Rexxar?
I think the job would have gone to Nazgrel before Saurfang the Younger. The Younger was much like his father, as we can see by the Wrathgate. Nazgrel however has been Thrall's chief security advisor since the founding of Durotar. He also commanded Horde forces in Outland, so that already gives him leadership experience that would be necessary for the position. He was also a loyal soldier of Orgrim Doomhammer during the Second War, and a member of the Sythegore Arm, the orcish wolf rider sect. Another boon to it would be his classification as a Shaman/Far Seer.
Rexxar on the other hand... I don't think that he would take well to the position. He doesn't seem to be fond of leadership, he is sort of a wanderer after all. And as Adamsm just said, he wouldn't be likely to leave his people behind.
Post by
Adamsm
Guess I should have been a little more specific there heh: Rexxar hated being on Azeroth, that was why he was a wander for so many year. He's also not a huge fan of the warlike ways of the Horde so that would have caused conflicts as Alliances attacks will probably rise. Again, he has finally found his people and is happy being their leader and overseeing many of the Ogre clans within Bladesedge Mountain. The only way I could see Rexxar willingly return to Azeroth would be: 1. His people are wiped out and the killer flees to the Old World, 2. His people are captured and dragged into Azeroth, 3. Thrall is assassinated and he would return to Azeroth to hunt down the killer but then go right back Outland.
Post by
taurenmoo812
For the balance and stability the horde has achieved over the past several years, it needs Thrall to lead it. Its simple as that.
The horde we have now is not the same blood crazed lunatics that came through the dark portal, after Grom freed them from there blood curse. And they arn't the scragglers that were seperated around the world in small clans.
The horde now is a different body, with multiple different races, all with there wants and needs, and the reason Thrall is the only leader that could lead such a group is because he is of a varied upbringing himself, captured and raised by humans, taught by orcs, and not driven by blood craze, he is able to do more then just be a commander for an army wanting to conquer everything.
Garrosh would have only one intention in mind upon taking charge, to kill all opposing him and his faction, and his ideology, to conquer everything like blackhand would have, and he would ultimately conflict with everything the new horde had embraced, such as tauren's natural want for peace, and the teachings of shamanism Thrall gave back to the orcs.
Garrosh is a relic of the horde that first stepped foot on azeroth as they came though the dark portal. His actions show that his bloodline has some serious craze issues with want for bloodlust and beating your enemy into a bloody pulp. It be like if Grom had taken charge of the horde when Doomhammer had died, the horde now would likely be driven by a demon blood orc, and be the end of them all.
Stop pretending that having a different leader for something like the horde would make things more appealing, because it would ultimately be short lived.
Post by
Adamsm
Grom had taken charge of the horde when Doomhammer had died, the horde now would likely be driven by a demon blood orc, and be the end of them all.Actually it wouldn't have, not as long as the Horde stayed on Eastern kingdoms, during Lord of the Clans, you see Grom is acting under control; his warband captures a human pup and he order's them to bring it back because he doesn't want to bring destruction down on the Warsong. Grom only took the Blood Curse back on to try to defeat Cenarius who he saw as a massive threat to the Orc forces. I know it wasn't a good thing, and the entire Night Elf/Orc thing could have been resolved differently but it wasn't.
When I talk about Garrosh copying his father, I'm talking about the Grom that forced his way to the front of the Horde lines to demand he and his got the right to take the Blood first, the same Grom that was a monsterous fighter and slayer of the Draenei. I wouldn't mind if he copied his father during the time between the end of the second war and the third war, that one was calm and in control of himself, fighting to keep the Blood Curse under a tight rein.
Post by
HiVolt
For the balance and stability the horde has achieved over the past several years, it needs Thrall to lead it. Its simple as that.
So by this logic, you're saying that no other person has the ability to lead the Horde as effectively as Thrall, so to this I pose a couple of questions...
What if Thrall, Garrosh, and Saurfang are killed?
What if Orgrim Doomhammer hadn't died?
Post by
HiVolt
For the balance and stability the horde has achieved over the past several years, it needs Thrall to lead it. Its simple as that.
So by this logic, you're saying that no other person has the ability to lead the Horde as effectively as Thrall, so to this I pose a couple of questions...
What if Thrall, Garrosh, and Saurfang are killed?
What if Orgrim Doomhammer hadn't died?
Well, I guess I'll try to answer my own questions here.
We have a couple of candidates here. I'm going off of the idea of accomplishment, willingness to lead, likeness to Thrall's mindset, and ability to lead here. 1 - Cairne. Everyone would probably agree that he is the best candidate for the position. 2 - Drek'Thar. Although he is very old, we know he has the ability to command, and he gets respect from everyone except the Stormpike Guard. 3 - Nazgrel. For the reasons, see above. 4 - Vol'jin. Although he works in the background, and hasn't done much except succeed Sen'jin as the Darkspear Tribe's leader, I would say the many years he has serving under Thrall have given him plenty of insight into the job.
Assuming that Orgrim Doomhammer hadn't died, I would think that he could have very effectively led the Horde, and would have made many of the same decisions that Thrall has made.
Post by
taurenmoo812
For the balance and stability the horde has achieved over the past several years, it needs Thrall to lead it. Its simple as that.
So by this logic, you're saying that no other person has the ability to lead the Horde as effectively as Thrall, so to this I pose a couple of questions...
What if Thrall, Garrosh, and Saurfang are killed?
What if Orgrim Doomhammer hadn't died?
Your asking if the horde looses its two more important figureheads, and a *!@#$%bag nobody likes, what would it do? And then putting an alter point of having Orgrim Doomhammer still alive, when he is already dead... hmm...
Heres an altimation for you then.
- If you want endless pvping so badly without any story or structure, why don't you go play warhammer online?
- Would you still play warcraft if there was no pvp involved?
Post by
Arkham
- If you want endless pvping so badly without any story or structureWhere in the hell did you see him say anything like that? No one in the thread has even mentioned pvp, you're the first person to bring it up.
Post by
HiVolt
For the balance and stability the horde has achieved over the past several years, it needs Thrall to lead it. Its simple as that.
So by this logic, you're saying that no other person has the ability to lead the Horde as effectively as Thrall, so to this I pose a couple of questions...
What if Thrall, Garrosh, and Saurfang are killed?
What if Orgrim Doomhammer hadn't died?
Your asking if the horde looses its two more important figureheads, and a *!@#$%bag nobody likes, what would it do? And then putting an alter point of having Orgrim Doomhammer still alive, when he is already dead... hmm...
Heres an altimation for you then.
- If you want endless pvping so badly without any story or structure, why don't you go play warhammer online?
- Would you still play warcraft if there was no pvp involved?
My questions didn't have anything to do with PvP, I posed those questions, and answered them, to illustrate that there are alternatives to Thrall as the Warchief. He may be one of the coolest characters ever, he certainly is in my opinion, but that doesn't mean he's the "end-all, be-all" Warchief.
And to answer your questions... I'm not all that into PvP, I know by some of my threads and comments it may seem that way, but I would still play this game even if there were no PvP aspect to it. Sure, it's fun, and I like to go into a Battleground every now and again, or go into Wintergrasp every so often, but beyond that I don't PvP at all. I love the Warcraft universe, I have since I first played WarCraft: Orcs and Humans back in '95, and there's nothing that I've seen that would make me stop loving it.
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