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The problem with flying in vainila wow
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RobbieG1o11
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On the other hand, as is currently the case, a L40 character in Arathi has absolutely no chance against a L80 ganker. A L40 raid could get Typhoon'ed and massacred.
Why should there be a level 40 raid?
And this can happen without flying mounts.
Flyers just make it easier.
:D
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Post by
ZoraLink
I stopped reading the whining after page 2...
"Waaaaaaah why can't we use our hard earned flying mounts in the Old World?"
"Waaaaaaaaaaah, now we're gonna die"
Jesus. Be happy for once people. It's not like you're going to find a level 85 hiding in every single bush you pass.
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shmickley
I stopped reading the whining after page 2...
"Waaaaaaah why can't we use our hard earned flying mounts in the Old World?"
"Waaaaaaaaaaah, now we're gonna die"
Jesus. Be happy for once people. It's not like you're going to find a level 85 hiding in every single bush you pass.
more like every town/main questing area
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Squishalot
I have a max level character, these changes don't really impact on me specifically. I personally don't have time to level a bunch of alts, and the only characters I'm levelling at the moment are on a PvE server, since my girlfriend and sister-in-law both refuse to be in a ganked position. Fair enough, their choice, I'm dragged along with them.
As I said before, and as a couple of people have mentioned, if you do have a max level character, it is a simple matter of logging onto your main and wreaking havoc. Or playing tit for tat. I'll be the first, and certainly won't be the last, to admit to levelling Tarren Mill to the ground as payback for being ganked and camped 10 minutes earlier.
But for those who don't have a max level character, new players in the game, they don't have that option. The fact that Blizzard hasn't implemented those ideas discussed (as with your example) is because they cause more problems than they fix. At the same time though, that's on the premise that ganking in Azeroth is done on ground mounts. Introducing flying mounts changes the picture, and if it's problematic enough, they'll take action.
It's not concerning enough for them to do anything about it at the moment / in the past. The fact that you used to get dishonour suggests that ganking isn't an intentional consequence, but fair enough, the developers may have changed their mind since Vanilla. So let's leave it at that, yeah?
As for using loss of human life to compare to something trivial, I actually don't see much wrong with it. I'm not trivialising what's going on in the Middle East, I'm putting some seriousness into the issue of ganking. Maybe it's from a working perspective, but making a person waste half an hour of their time is just as bad as removing half an hour of their life, or destroying half an hour of their work. It's still just as morally wrong, if not to the same degree of consequence.
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You don't know that. There's reasons they removed it, and not just because a couple of lowbies who happen to have PvP activated in friendly cities became collateral in the not-so-common city raids.
Who's speaking on behalf of developers now?
Unless they're explicitly answering formal questions with prepared answers, we will never really know. All we can do is suggest what they might mean, based on the circumstances, which is what you have done, and what I have done.
Your example of people in the middle east, who may have no option to do X or Y which wastes their time as a comparison to someone playing an online game who doesn't have to do anything they don't want to, they can leave or do something different if they want.
If I were to take you as literally as you have taken me, should I be saying that you're speaking on behalf of the people in the Middle East then, and that the argument is a big fail?
Yes, but I won't, because that's not fair. Instead, I'll point out to you that in both cases, irrespective of what option they have to get involved, it's a restriction of freedom. Locking citizens in their homes prevents them from going out and enjoying themselves. Stun-locking and GY-ganking low level characters prevents them from going out and enjoying themselves. Sure, they both have the ability to do other things. But you're restricting them from what they want to do. That's the ethical problem.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that a new player who rolls a new character on a PvP realm doesn't want to be ganked for half an hour. If the first 20 hours of play include 2 hours of corpse dragging their way to 'safety' (L30 guards? What safety?) then 10% of their total playing time has been wasted. Such a player is less likely to continue to be a long-standing subscriber to WoW, than someone who wasn't ganked. In that respect, it's a bad business decision to create a situation where ganking is likely to increase.
Across 1 million new subscribers, that's US$150,000 per month for every extra 1% of people who would quit because they don't understand what's so great about dragging their corpse back and forth.
Or would you argue with that (rough-as-guts) view?
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Post by
s20mike
It's not that serious, this is just a game.
I hear this all the time, in various situations, and it's a monstrously stupid thing to say. Harsh but true.
A game, like ANY endeavor, be it sculpting a statue, painting in oils, making boats out of matchsticks, whatever,
is an investment of time and energy
.
Time is finite for every human being, in the short term ("
I have to go to bed soon, work at 6am
") and the long term ("
One day, I'll be old / dead
"). Time cannot be bought, gathered, stolen, stored, stopped, or argued with.
Therefore, anything that wastes a persons investment of TIME is a very serious matter indeed. And they have the right to !@#$ and moan when they see their precious time, time they will never get back, being flushed down the tubes in a frenzy of smacktardery.
Consider - if you had a fortune you gave to some investor, who promptly lost said fortune, would you say "
It's not that serious, this is just money
", shrug your shoulders, and walk away? Would you hell, as many people demonstrate every year. And yet anyone can get more money, through force or theft or work. What makes time less important or valuable, when it is infinitely more precious a resource?
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