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Rankkor
o_O is this even a question?
ok, while I am willing to admit I felt a small bit of simpaty for garrosh back in BC on nagrand, the garrosh of WOTLK deserves nothing of what has been given to him.
all the small tiny bits of respect I had for garrosh vanished the moment I steped down from the zepeling in borean tundra, and said hi to that creep.
what was his answer? "get out of here n00b" after saving his frikking village, redeeming the image of his father, lifting his suicidal spirits, bringing joy to the last days of the greatmother, briging purpose to the stranded mag'har orcs, as well as a place within the new horde, and last but not least, saving outland from the tyrant that held it by the neck (Illidan)
and yet his only answer when I say hi after all this time without seeing each other is "thanks for what u did in nagrand, and if u value my advice, get the frik out of here"
I though to myself "all rite, he's a little @#$%ed off, no biggies, after I get to work he'll come arround" and then it happened, the conversation with saurfang.
after seeing garrosh "solutions" to the problems of the horde, as well as his lack of military expertise that's when I said to myself, "this kid is a failure of a leader, and he's gonna get us in trouble"
this only became worst at the dalaran summit, at wich point the only opinion of garrosh I had was "thrall pls let me kick his ass".
but the tip of the cherry came at the argent tournament.
insulting thrall is already bad enough, but to that add an insult to tirion and u got yourself a nemesis on me garrosh.
had I got the chance I'd kill him I would have.
My opinion is the same as the honorable saurfang on this: when (not "if", WHEN) garrosh oversteps his limits and leads the horde to it's dark ways once more, I'll be there, twin hammers in hand to put him to rest and let his father's ghost finish to kick his ass on the other world.
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Skreeran
I'm with you there. If Garrosh becomes Warchief, both of my Orcs (Nakresh and Kitanga, if you don't read the RPs I participate in) are going to be fighting in the streets to get at his throat, dying to bring him down, if need be.
Unless I can't do that, in which case I'm either quitting or rerolling a Draenei. Haven't decided yet.
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Rankkor
:P if we get down to that ( I hope it doesn't, since I love the horde) I'm rerolling worgen when the expation come's out.
is simple logic :P my real life last-name is "Villalobos", a word in spanish that roughly translate in english as "half-wolf" hence why I like playing as an orc shaman that much since on lore, orcs and shamans are closely related to wolves.
if garrosh get's named new warchief, I'll reroll a worgen Rogue, I even got the perfect name for it :D (wich I've reserved already and kept it secret to avoid imitations of it xD)
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Skreeran
Can't be as perfect as my Dwarf Death Knight: Bjärdënhösën.
Yes, I know that is total lingustical idiocy, mixing Scandinavian and German influences, along with all too many umlauts, but that's the fun in it.
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HiVolt
I think I'll take the opposite route and say that I'll follow Garrosh out of respect for Thrall's wishes. Only Garrosh tries to do something drastic within the Horde, such as labeling Cairne as a traitor and killing him or causing any other sort of rift in the Horde, will I be re-rolling to the Alliance.
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taurenmoo812
I think I'll take the opposite route and say that I'll follow Garrosh out of respect for Thrall's wishes. Only Garrosh tries to do something drastic within the Horde, such as labeling Cairne as a traitor and killing him or causing any other sort of rift in the Horde, will I be re-rolling to the Alliance.
So you want Garrosh to take charge because you a leader thats more 'in your face' then Thrall.. but you don't want a leader that then kills his own people because its wrong.
Aren't you hoping for more from Garrosh then you would actully get?
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HiVolt
I think I'll take the opposite route and say that I'll follow Garrosh out of respect for Thrall's wishes. Only Garrosh tries to do something drastic within the Horde, such as labeling Cairne as a traitor and killing him or causing any other sort of rift in the Horde, will I be re-rolling to the Alliance.
So you want Garrosh to take charge because you a leader thats more 'in your face' then Thrall.. but you don't want a leader that then kills his own people because its wrong.
Aren't you hoping for more from Garrosh then you would actully get?
I think it remains to be seen. And I never said I wanted him to take charge, I just said I would follow him out of respect for Thrall.
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Adamsm
Heh, Thrall lead the revolution that freed the orcs, he lead his people to life during WC3, trust me, in an actual war he will be willingly to do whatever it takes to keep his people and the Horde safe.
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Post by
hymer
Actually, the Forsaken follow Sylvanas, who isn't any better than Arthas. She just isn't as powerful, and her reasons are easier to understand. Her intention, as I'm given to understand it, is to wipe out life.
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Skreeran
Actually, the Forsaken follow Sylvanas, who isn't any better than Arthas. She just isn't as powerful, and her reasons are easier to understand. Her intention, as I'm given to understand it, is to wipe out life.Really? Where have you heard that beyond the outdated Vanilla WoW manuals and the opening cutscene referencing "dark plans."
As I understand it, the Forsaken stand to wipe out the Scourge and anything that opposes their existence. As I see it, the life-killing property of the plague was to make it effective to the Lich King's living minions and the Scarlet Crusade, as well as any humans who think they'd like to come up and wipe out the Forsaken to take their lands.
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HiVolt
Last I checked, the Warsong Clan composed roughly fifty percent of the horde's standing army. The Warsong seem to have adopted Garrosh and his 'policies' quite completely, as well. Therefore, the potential backlash from choosing anyone but Garrosh could be dire. Likewise, killing Garrosh would only produce the same results. If the ocnsequences of denying Garrosh control of the horde were bad, then open revolt as a result of his death could be catastrophic.
I don't know if I could agree with the Warsong Clan being roughly fifty percent of the Horde's standing army. In fact, I would really like to know how you arrived at this estimate. The forces in Northrend may be taken into account, but you have to take the forces that are elsewhere at the moment as well. The amount of Horde soldiers in Outland and the rest of Azeroth would probably outnumber the Warsong Clan's forces by a five to one ratio, at least that's what I would assume.
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hymer
Really? Where have you heard that beyond the outdated Vanilla WoW manuals and the opening cutscene referencing "dark plans."
I'm willing to admit I'm a short on direct quotes. Here's something I haven't heard countered:
"The RAS, from the beginning, has planned to kill humanity. From the first moment that a newly minted Forsaken comes to Brill, he is put to work, not poisoning Scourge, but rather poisoning the living. At one point, Apothecary Johann has you concoct a disease to kill an Alliance citizen , a Dwarf. When he gives you the instructions, he tells you that "this is a subtle hint of what The Dark Lady has planned for the rest of Azeroth." Not "The Scourge." All of Azeroth. And note that he does not say "the RAS," he says "The Dark Lady." From the beginning levels, it is made very clear that Sylvanas is completely on board with the "Death to the Living" part of the RAS' philosophy."
"Apothecary Lydon makes it very clear that the RAS wants to see everyone dead , and has you use his poisons on innocent Alliance farmers. When you report his findings to Faranell, Faranell is completely delighted in the work and sends you out to gather more reagents for Lydon. It is made abundantly clear that Lydon is not an aberration or part of a splinter group. The entirety of the RAS is as dedicated to killing the living as they are the dead."
"If all of this was not enough to incriminate the RAS, the new Arthas novel quite definitely confirms that the RAS is looking to kill the living, and that Sylvanas is in on the deal. A scene set just before the start of the Wrath of the Lich King expansion places Sylvanas in the RAS's chambers, watching as Faranell administers a new plague strain to a young human girl and a stoic Forsaken man (Faranell insists the man is a criminal, but Sylvanas' internal dialogue implies that she doubts he really is but does not care either way). When both die retch and die horribly, she commends Faranell for his work and returns to her chambers, exulting that she may finally be able to kill both the Scourge and the Living with this new strain.
That's right, The Dark Lady is most definitely 100% on board with the killing."
I'm perfectly willing to accept that my opinion on the Forsaken is merely that, but I do hold that it is a
valid
opinion.
Post by
Adamsm
Yes The Dark Lady set up the Blight, but again Putress and the Dreadlord ninja'ed it from her wih the attempted coup. The Lich King(not Arthas) had nothing to do with it, seeing as they tried to kill him as well at the Wrathgate. As I've said before, I could see a portion of the Forsaken join with Garrosh, those who believe that all humans need to die so that they could continue to live, and yes its possible this group could turn on the Horde in the future. As for the Lady.... hard to tell what is going through that undead diva's mind, if it would make more sense for her to back Garrosh then Thrall.........
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