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95537
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Mesoforte
And by quoting each bit piece by piece and saying that it is wrong just completely destroys the point of the order I wrote it in.
Then write it in paragraphs and complete sentences so I don't have to do the work to form a flowing piece out of it. The pieces I cut are the closest I can get to the general meaning of the wall of text I cut them from.
I dont get why you are throwing rebuttals back at me then... Everyone else got the drift in this thread, I dont think censorship works either. Im saying others believe censorship work and they should be respected for their decision.
There are some cultural norms that are pointless and/or destructive. Just because they are believed by people does not give them immediate credibility.
Again, the whole point of my original post is to guide you into what someone else may think
And its arrogant to assume that you know how other people think. At least give them the respect of letting them voice their own views.
Also as a side note, the murder rate in the US number 21 in the world, something like number 10 discounting countries in civil turmoil. China is not even on the top 62 listed on the source I found. So the whole cultural censorship that you do not agree with does do some good.
You mean you can directly correlate murder rates with censorship? Amazing! Oh wait, you can't can you?
Just gonna add something thats indeed immature: Democracy and the west world ftw ;)
A bit off-topic, but you know that the US is a Republic, right? Well, a Constitutional Federal Democratic Republic. Britain is a Parliamentarian System. France is a Republic as well.
Sorry, its the one piece rhetoric I'm sick of.
Ignorance like this to the culture and history to the country that is like the artificial leg of the economically broken country called the USA.
I know this is a response to Honorous however I'm not even sure I can call this English.
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Hyperspacerebel
Ignorance like this to the culture and history to the country that is like the artificial leg of the economically broken country called the USA.
I know this is a response to Honorous however I'm not even sure I can call this English.
Ty, Mexloh, I have a new sig quote <3
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95537
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Mesoforte
Its arrogant to also assume what you think is right and what others think is wrong.
Unless you can back it up. Again you missed the point. I'm not arguing right and wrong. This is why we don't have the same value system.
Such ignorance of the Chinese culture and history; yet China is like the artificial leg of the economically broken USA, keeping it from going further into a nigh irreversible recession.*
There, you should be used to tired people coming up with nonsense by now if you play WoW :)
Except the US is acting like a steroid boost to China's economy. Without the US, China's boom would have busted out slow a long time ago. So, China's economics can be more compared to a parasitic infection on the US's left toe that symbiotically keeps its host going while feeding off of it.
And you really need to do some work in economics. Recessions are normal things in any economy.
Oh, and I'm bored so-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Percentage_population_living_on_less_than_1_dollar_day_2007-2008.png
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Honorus
Anyway, an interesting fact came to my mind. Only two nations made minority out of native people, US of A in America and China in Tibet. After readin this topic i also found that both China and USA are censoring media, can someone point out more similarities?
That's incorrect.
There are other instances where settlers have made minorities of the natives.
Example: Australia - white settlers & aborigines. New Zealand - white settlers & maori.
Dont forget Sweden, Settlers and Samer.
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LordHiccup
I wonder what they'll do to Patchwerk and other abominations... Cover their busted open stomachs with a quilt?
(Made out of bags...)
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remains
I so love Europe... and Belgium,,
I've lived in California for like 1 year and 2 months.. and man now I realise that the USA is like a total different culture, you'd expect that their is less crime with all the rules in the USA but it's waaay waaay higher then in Belgium,, I know it's a bit of topic, but I think that Culture's are different,, btw wasnt China like the owner of most of the Zombie games etc...? xD
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Mesoforte
This post is better done btw. I didn't have to work to put it together.
Its arrogance that always puts the US on top of everyone else. Somehow the whole world owes the US. The two countries support each other economically but the US citizens always thinks the Chinese are some lower-form being owing you guys a favor. I'm not even Chinese, I'm just sympathetic for them being blamed for everything.
How is it arrogant? Any economic system needs consumers. China's rise directly mirrors the boom of spending in the US on foreign products. The US is also the largest buyer of Chinese products.
Secondly, its idiotic to assume that a parasite is a "lower being." Don't ascribe values to what I say without understanding the context of how I view things. Also, understand the meaning of symbiotic.
And heres a question. Since I've failed at guessing, what ARE you arguing about with me then? I don't get it.
Reread the first post, which I had to requote anyways. Secondly, your misconceptions of what all people think (especially the distaste you have for American opinion) brings out the need to prove anything you say as incorrect. After that the entire argument is to just show you how you completely misread the first argument.
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Mesoforte
I disagree. First of all, everybody is connected to everyone else. If the Chinese economy goes to hell, every single country in the world would be directly or indirectly affected. The United States provides a large consumer base for Chinese products, but it doesn't mean that the United States is the reason for the Chinese economy's rapid growth.
Ah, so much truth in that statement. All the economies in the world are connected. However, that point is part of my original point, US spending is a very large force behind Chinese economic growth. Not the only force of course, but a large force. And without that force I don't think the boom would have been nearly as large. However, in the context of the original statement, I find that my response was the most appropriate I could manage.
"You're effing ignorant of the Chinese culture and history, Honorus"
And I agree.
I probably do to, however its so obvious that it wouldn't bear mentioning. I however can tell a myriad of interesting stories about Mao at least...and what he liked to do in fields. (That's a completely different story however.)
Psssh. Getting smart, aren't we? I don't really agree with Mexloh either. I think that the low murder rate is the direct result of the heavy ban on weapons.
Oh, to correctly read anything I write (if you're going for how I sound), read it in a constant sarcastic tone, coupled with a slow drawl. You'd be surprised at how hard it is to directly correlate social statistics to anything.
Also if you really want some sarcasm, check the response to Mexloh's earlier comment about increase in economic capacity as a measurement of whether a country is doing something right. Its on the middle of page five, though I think I requoted it on page six.
If you are only concerned with the part of the argument that I'm in, it starts on page 5, so its a lot less reading at least.
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Mesoforte
Now I've voiced my opinion and hopefully altered the way you approach this issue.
Probably not, as you still haven't gotten a glimpse as to how I approached the issue.
The part you never bothered to quote. I saw your original response, it never replied to anything I put up as an argument. You took individual sentences, broke the apart, and told me your version of the story.
So you at least got part of it right. Except I wasn't presenting a version of the story, I was adding in the fact that life is full of gore, that WoW is in no way forced on China, and that any numbness to death is a numbness to an unreal portrayal of death. And again, if you would write with some clarity, I wouldn't have to make general cuts.
For simplicity, I'll cut out the details and make a hypothetical reenactment of what you did in another topic.
Me: *Holds up a sign* "Stop $%^gotry!"
You: "I support gay rights! So you are wrong, stop being homophobic."
I have to wonder at your reading comprehension if that's what you got from all of this.
Hell, I have the SAME opinion as you. I have stated over and over and over and over and over and over again I am challenging people to give me proof WHY what those people said are wrong.
How can you have the same beliefs as me if you cannot tell me what I believe. The only thing you know about what I think of this issue is that censorship doesn't work. That's it.
"Even though the amount of people that are dying to gaming addiction is bolded by the media, the amount of people dying to say, poverty, is proportionally higher by a far fetch. I understand that the Chinese government, or any government, would find this as an opportunity to present a methodical solution in reducing the problem for both publicity means AND political means. Yet the people of the more developed world reserve the right to inform the lesser-informed Chinese population about the dangers of censorship and the rights they would receive if this is abolished. We do not want to temper with their rights either, but as a society I believe it is morally correct to bring justice upon a government that may be seen as oppressing to the people who it governs. The authoritarian regimes have been constantly disproved as a working government, and the political and cultural thought-process of both China and the Chinese government should be altered by an outside influence in order to add an catalyst to the transforming process, to minimize the harm caused by the currently corrupt system."
Wow that response is full of moral baggage and completely idiotic. You really didn't read anything did you?
Its long, but its something I would consider an intelligence response because it BACKS UP your statements. I'm sure you have done essays before. Topic sentence first, then you present your arguments, then you present SUPPORTING EVIDENCE (hopefully through other sources).
"China's censorship policy does not work" does not justify any deep thinking. I know people think censorship does not work, and stating an opinion would not change mine.
"China's censorship policy does not work" is a simple statement of fact that's supported by the presence of all the addicted gamers you are harping on about. The person who should of done the "deep thinking" would be you to correlate your own knowledge to the statement instead of blindly asking to be spoonfed a complex argument when it is unnecessary.
First of all, the word symbiotic was edited onto your post AFTER I started writing my post. I realized that after looking back and seeing you have edited the message four times.
I edit lots because I care about grammar. Symbiotic was added because it fit the meaning better.
Dont even try and get out of it. From another or others without giving any useful or proper return, as one who lives on the hospitataility of others.
So many things that is simply insulting and untrue.
Okay, now look up connotation and denotation. Then check the biological definition contained in the very definition you posted.
Mate, in short, your clever wordplay shows me you have a good command of the English language. However no matter how much you like to ingeniously lay down insulting undertones and nitpick my 5am-half-sleep writing, you still haven't picked up on the original topic.
And neither have you.
EDIT:
As a side note, someone stated earlier, gun control is the primary reason for reduced murder rates, which I agree. Its part of the Chinese culture and the Chinese, almost unanimous, belief in that ownership of guns should be reserved for those who actually need it. Something blown out of proportion in the states. So censorship was the wrong word, but I think you know what I meant by it.
Also, America lacks freedom of speech by a far fetch to countries in Western Europe. And a complete freedom of speech would literally equal anarchism.
Do you know how hard it is to directly correlate social statistics?
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95537
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Mesoforte
If the only thing you have to present to me is that censorship do not work. Why do you target me by quoting paragraph to paragraph and give directly opposing statements to everything I write? To you, every single word I write has some fault in it. I'm not trying to say I'm smart, but after spitting over 2000 words I think theres at least ONE LINE you wouldn't need to quote and directly oppose me, thats just doing it for the hell of it.
A lot of what you wrote contained untrue generalizations that quite frankly go against the very mentality you were warning against. I think that's enough to warrant pointing out.
You have NOT given me any counterargument against my original topic. You tried to redirect the topic to something that does NOT have any value of discussion. So my fault, I thought you had something to say, but apparently you just wanted to tell me your opinion about something I already acknowledge.
After your first response, you went off-topic by trying to transpose things on me I did not write. So yes, its your fault.
You don't like censorship, you don't like me. Two things I've ever gotten from our pointless rebuttals. So can I ask, why bother p*ssing me off if you have nothing to talk to me about in the first place?
Because you still don't understand what I think. I don't care about censorship. I don't care about China's usage of censorship as a moral action. I only care that I know that it happened.
What you are telling me is all you did was add facts and didn't present a simple opinion. So why target me like I'm the devil?
Because you are partaking in the same mentality that you told everyone else not to follow. You assumed you knew what I believed without first questioning if I in fact was a part of that value system. The very fact that you still haven't realized that is why this is still going on.
EDIT: I just looked back and I haven't responded to you at all.
/golfclap
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