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So, ret is over.
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Post by
00bender00
Current PTR build:
PvE
SoV 33% weapon damage from white hits only.
Dummy dps dropped by about 1k from last build (was doing 3.4k, 0.5k more then live).
JoL scales equally for all paladins.
Lowest pve dps, no added benefit as 3rd paladin (1 holy 1 prot and your raid is fine now).
PvP
JoC crits for 2.5k self buffed, armory my pvp gear.
Still no interrupts.
Still no distance closer.
Still all the old gamebreaking bugs.
People playing ret in TBC and before is well aware of how fast blizz nerfs us, but they take 1 expansion worth of time to buff back when necessary. It's over.
Post by
Saldor
I seriously don't agree that Ret is getting Nerfed, i play retri and i welcome the changes - They will do the same dps if played right!
This is the thing in order to unlock a classes potential you have to play right!
Take the mage for example i've seen mages with rubbish gear doing 2k dps while if you look at some mages that might have very nice gear only put out 1.8k dps. Really its all about unlocking the potential of the class.
Retri untill the patch is realsed is a very simple potental to unlock, the only difference is now compleate morons can't just jump into a HC with no expeariance and do 2k dps =)
Well thats my take....
Post by
89501
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Post by
pezz
It isn't as bad as it was in TBC. It isn't even close. I highly doubt Blizzard will ever let that happen again to any class or spec.
PvE: SoV has a DoT you ignored, which SoB didn't have. If the on-hit damage was the same, it would be a buff, so obviously SoV's on-hit damage is going to be lower. It also doesn't hurt you, which means more AoW procs should go to Exo, so that's probably a wash.
PvP: No interrupts? HoJ, Repentance, and Arcane Torrent for Blood Elves.
You're supposed to have trouble with people kiting you. Hit them with JoJ and you're faster. Just because you can't kill people 100% of the time when they adopt a strategy designed to give you trouble doesn't mean the entire spec is dead.
I know all of this and I don't even play ret. I respecced the moment I hit 80 over half a year ago. I'm sure someone who knows the class currently can add to my list.
Post by
00bender00
If your dps has gone down then to be perfectly honest, you suck or youre not doing it right.
The changes to ret increase our dps somewhere in the neighborhood of 15% in pve. In pvp, we gain sustained damage over instant burst. So lets put this to bed.
Dude. Go check ptr
NOW
. Not 4 days ago.
NOW
. Then come back. If you accurately read my post i wrote my dps went up by 500ish, now dropped down by 1k
on last build
.
To the other poster, you simply have no idea why SoV sucks for pvp and lets say i wont bother explaining. I'll just say a "target switch" that takes 5 auto attacks to output full damage leaving the previous target dotted sucks, that should be enough for you to understand, if not, you dont play arena as ret so it doesnt bother you.
Btw, interrupts cause school locks. Neither HoJ or Rep do this in PvP.
These are 1) snare, 2) short term cc.
Post by
pezz
Doesn't HoJ have a 'also interrupts for 3 seconds' in the description? In any case, you aren't supposed to be able to shut down casters like mages can, it isn't how our class works. We never had interrupts like that, and I didn't see people complaining that that caused Ret to underperform in PvP before the other nerfs you mentioned, mostly because Ret wasn't underperforming.
Also, first of all about SoV, you posted why it sucks under the header
PvE
, and made no mention of it for PvP. I realize that what you said about it is a problem for PvP, I didn't say it wasn't. I said why it wasn't gamebreaking in PvE. Second, I'm not sure what the current theory crafting is, but I thought SoComm might be making a comeback as the PvP seal? If not, fair enough, there aren't many good choices for PvP seals.
Post by
00bender00
JoC crits for 2k on 700 resilience in PVP. I'd rather use SoR for how it is atm, that says it all.
HoJ interrupt ability works in pve only. Ofc ret wasnt underperforming we had high burst with no setup required, that made for lacking in other departments. You could be kited for 6-7 secs and was no big loss.
How easy it is even now on live to play ret in the 3s you wouldnt believe.
And yes SoV nerf is gamebreaking in PvE because my PTR DPS dropped by 1k since i last logged 2 days ago, compared to tonight. It just doesnt procs a crap off specials anymore, see the problem?
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Post by
JemiS
The big comment people are ignoring is that SoV now ONLY procs on white hits.
No more procs off of anything else. Just white hits, hence the DPS drop.
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153944
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Post by
pezz
One point I didn't realize from being too tired last night: This is one new build with a minor change on a quickly changing PTR. I bet the same people who are sure this is going to go live and cause the death of a spec are the ones who say 'well Blizzard will get rid of this next PTR build, and they'll bring that build up just to get rid of this faster' every time there is some small, positive change to your class, going on the logic that good changes will be removed immediately and bad changes will all make it into 3.2.
And I'll concede the point about HoJ, I didn't realize what I've been told in this thread. But I maintain that we aren't a class designed to spell lock people.
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89501
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Post by
ShriekXL
Cries for "the sky is falling" is just another way to say "Im a fotm". Real rets have known the pain an anguish of BC, and had to overcome a truly defective class.
So true. Just because you can't dish out what you did 1 patch ago, doesn't make the class useless. Even though those changes aren't quite........confirmed in any way.
I'm sure the OP will reroll the fotm in no time.
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65116
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Post by
00bender00
Dude i've been raiding SWP as ret in TBC. Check my achievements.
Check my TBC reputations.
Go call FOTM someone else.
If you really raided as ret in TBC you would know that they just dont buff us. They only nerf.
Our mana regeneration has been useless for whole TBC,
our dependancy to windfury to DPS
aswell.
None of these have been fixed till WLK popped.
They have been well aware for months
. Years. It was just ok to be like that for them.
Did you see any buff to us since release build? Or improving fix? I only see nerfs if i compare.
Only because
i have been trough the pain of TBC
i have
no faith at all
in what Blizzard is doing.
You dont think i hope its a bug? HELL I HOPE ITS A BUG. But then why Hammer of the Righteous is proccing SoV, while CS / DS dont? SoV tooltip doesnt state it procs off specials. Maybe previous build was bugged.
Trolls that dont even bother reading posts > Blizzard forums are that way.
Go post some "L2P" on level 1 alts on those.
Thanks for these that actually bothered reading, you are good human beings.
if you put effort in your toon you'll still be able to do competitive dps instead of faceroll your way to top 5.
Rofl, another guy that didnt read my posts but still bothers to reply. I was pushing 3,4k dps in my crap gear on last build, so i suppose i got good with the changes?
Post by
runtodarkness
Hehe I feel like this guy... Wrote a post that had a few stupid mistakes in it and when people started trolling and/or making good points i kinda went into defensive mode... The smartest thing you can do man is just never look at this post again lol
Post by
Arcolite
The first post seems fine to me. I read it through then checked EJ and then the Official Forums which confirmed it.
I'm sure some people just read the topic and then reply without reading the full post.
It's happened more than a few times to me too.
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