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Post by
Haxzor
So, lets take into account totems
Post by
ysoly
this thing is simple.... after 1900 spellpower. The only reason you should use CL is to reduce the gap between Lb and LvB C/d... this is totaly dependend on how much haste you got. At around 520 haste you should nvr use CL again tho.
Is the gap around 1.3 sec Use Cl to close the gap... is it less than 1.3 use Frost shock or something so you dont stand around doing nothing.
Post by
lucius
this thing is simple.... after 1900 spellpower. The only reason you should use CL is to reduce the gap between Lb and LvB C/d... this is totaly dependend on how much haste you got. At around 520 haste you should nvr use CL again tho.
Is the gap around 1.3 sec Use Cl to close the gap... is it less than 1.3 use Frost shock or something so you dont stand around doing nothing.
Rofl no. Almost everything you said is wrong.
1. CL does more damage than LB from SP==0 to SP==10k
2. There are many haste values where CL fits nicely into the rotation because it has the LB spam section and the FS, LB spam section to fit into. When it's far from being ideal in 1/2 of the rotation, it's closer to ideal in the other 1/2.
3. CL does more damage than FrostShock without the double threat.
4. CL and FrostShock have the same cast time, and frost shock doesn't have the +lightning crit talents/overload.
Post by
66520
1. CL does more damage than LB from SP==0 to SP==10k
At 10ksp CL does 1300 less damage than LB on a single target.
Post by
lucius
And it casts 75% faster, so it does more damage per second. Depending on if you include the glyph or not, LB doesn't outdamage CL until somewhere in the range of 8k to 10k spellpower, past what's available.
I misspoke by saying 10k, because I really meant from Zero to Infinity. Not the real infinity, but the infinity that is the best gear available.
Post by
308652
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
178827
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
66520
I did it without talents or glyphs. The point remains that his statement is straight-out false regardless.
Post by
Haxzor
this thing is simple.... after 1900 spellpower. The only reason you should use CL is to reduce the gap between Lb and LvB C/d... this is totaly dependend on how much haste you got. At around 520 haste you should nvr use CL again tho.
Is the gap around 1.3 sec Use Cl to close the gap... is it less than 1.3 use Frost shock or something so you dont stand around doing nothing.
Rofl no. Almost everything you said is wrong.
1. CL does more damage than LB from SP==0 to SP==10k
2. There are many haste values where CL fits nicely into the rotation because it has the LB spam section and the FS, LB spam section to fit into. When it's far from being ideal in 1/2 of the rotation, it's closer to ideal in the other 1/2.
3. CL does more damage than FrostShock without the double threat.
4. CL and FrostShock have the same cast time, and frost shock doesn't have the +lightning crit talents/overload.
wait, CL is instant cast?
Post by
lucius
I did it without talents or glyphs. The point remains that his statement is straight-out false regardless.
/sigh I think you missed the point. As I explained, My point was CL was stronger for all attainable values of SP.
Post by
lucius
wait, CL is instant cast?
Did you not read the text you quoted? The person I'm replying to is saying you should cast CL if you have 1.3 second delay but then switch to FrostShock if it's shorter. As if they don't have the same cast time. From a dps standpoint, there is no difference between a 1.5 second cast and an instant cast.
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Post by
66520
/sigh I think you missed the point. As I explained, My point was CL was stronger for all attainable values of SP.
That's not what you said.
Say what you mean in the first place.
Use the correct terms for what you intend.
(Lightning Bolt does more damage than Chain Lightning on a single target at 2k spell power.)
Post by
Gnub
so my assumption that LB hits harder is correct?
My math is wrong but i tried to prove that from what i saw on my shaman as a dmg done
(this for Gnubigena)
Correct. Not only does it hit harder, it also causes more DPS overall.
Here's your normalized example:
Consider 18.75% total haste. This gives you LB as a 1.68s cast and CL as a 1.26s.
A corollary to your example using an 8 second window:
4xLB takes 6.72 seconds
2000x4 = 8000 or 1000dps
4xLB, CL takes 7.98 seconds
2000x4+1900 = 9900 or 1238 dps.
Therefore chain lightning wins.
So, from this, you've gotten that a Lightning Bolt does 2000 damage, while a Chain Lightning does 1900 damage? Seriously? IF that were true, it's not exactly rocket science to calculate what spell does the most DPS. Sadly for you, those numbers are totally bonkers.
Throw me the math, I really want to see the numbers you pulled to make this happen :)
Post by
Haxzor
My LB does about 3k, where my CL does about 1.8k
It's not Rocket Surgery
Post by
lucius
So, from this, you've gotten that a Lightning Bolt does 2000 damage, while a Chain Lightning does 1900 damage? Seriously? IF that were true, it's not exactly rocket science to calculate what spell does the most DPS. Sadly for you, those numbers are totally bonkers.
Throw me the math, I really want to see the numbers you pulled to make this happen :)
Not my numbers. Did you really not read the thread and are just responding to my post?
Post by
lucius
My LB does about 3k, where my CL does about 1.8k
It's not Rocket Surgery
Fiction.
Post by
lucius
That's not what you said.
Say what you mean in the first place.
Use the correct terms for what you intend.
(Lightning Bolt does more damage than Chain Lightning on a single target at 2k spell power.)
Look, I'm stuck in the middle of people with varying degrees of math understanding. I was trying to explain things simply for a novice. I explained what I meant.
"Ennngg Technically at 10k Spellpower blah blah"
"Ennng Technically you can't reach it."
Is 10k different than infinity spellpower? Yes no maybe. Depends on if you as a realist or a pramatist or a practicalist. Makes me thing of jokes along the lines of engineer vs physicist vs mathematician.
Post by
Gnub
So, from this, you've gotten that a Lightning Bolt does 2000 damage, while a Chain Lightning does 1900 damage? Seriously? IF that were true, it's not exactly rocket science to calculate what spell does the most DPS. Sadly for you, those numbers are totally bonkers.
Throw me the math, I really want to see the numbers you pulled to make this happen :)
Not my numbers. Did you really not read the thread and are just responding to my post?
I did yes, and most of this thread is filled to the brim with reason against reason, alot of it with badly calculated spell damage and stuff. I even answered earlier about another person doing a calculation wrong (flat out adding spell damage as spell damage increase, without taking base casttime into consideration), which no one seemed to care about.
Show me how you made the conclusion that Chain Lightning does better DPS than Lightning Bolt, as you seemed to have argued was correct earlier - something about a 10k SP point, else I'll gladly throw some numbers that'll underline that Lightning Bolt is indeed way better than Chain Lightning.
Post by
lucius
Please show me your math.
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