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Post by
Aimsyr
guns ablazing We tried to fight a war against medieval savages in a "civilized" manner
I disagree, the US went in fighting the war the wrong manner entirely.
You cannot combat terrorists like you would an entire nation, each civilian killed by a drone strike or artillery attack simply provides more people driven by revenge to swell the ranks of the terrorists.
Sure accidents do happen, but when they are commonplace you simply provide the enemy with more propaganda to use against you.
Were the terrorists an entire nation, the "civilized" tactics employed by the US would have worked - after all in open warfare the US military far surpasses them in power - but those same tactics equate to going in guns ablazing when it comes to countering insurgency/guerilla warfare.
See the part there about G.W. Bush's flawed military strategy? Afghanistan and Iraq would not have been the quagmire's they became if we had went in there.
What is to say it is going to work any better? Short of eradicating every single Muslim on the planet
just in case,
which is a brilliant idea if think it would somehow not cause the whole world to hate the US, targeting countries and ethnicities just because of minority groups within them is never going to work.
That would be like having another country declare war on the US as a whole and justifying it on the grounds that the KKK is based there.Also, you imply that large-scale murder of civilians would be justified,
I am not implying justification. I am sick and tired of being berated and accused of the US being some kind of power-mad juggernaut, that I am saying if these
countries
want to continue to, not just verbally assault us, but have their terrorist actions somehow justified as just "blowback" from our policies, then I say we give them something to really be pissed about. Or better yet, we wipe them out, so they do not have the option..
Again, holding entire countries responsible for the actions of minority groups is not going to work out in the US favour. Fair enough in the cases where the majority actually are responsible, but with the current situation in the Middle East that is not the case.
I personally do not feel the terrorists' actions are justified as "blowback," nor do I feel the US is unjustified in retaliating, but I do feel they are going about it entirely the wrong way by targeting entire countries as opposed to the terrorists themselves. A distinction has to be made and tactics adapted accordingly.
Post by
Rankkor
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2313870/Sunil-Tripathi-Police-body-missing-college-student-falsely-accused-Boston-Marathon-bomber-internet-sleuths.html
Unbelievable :S
THIS is the reason I am afraid to move to the US.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/24/17893358-nypd-chief-bombing-suspects-may-have-been-headed-for-nyc-to-party?lite
Another counterpoint.
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134377
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Post by
MyTie
Ok,
this one is creepy
. I don't want the people on an airplane to buy me a drink. I want them to leave me alone so I can sleep. I will do everything I can to alienate the person sitting next to me as soon as we sit down, and then slip off to sleep. I think I told the person next to me that being in the airplane sure was cramped, but I was ok with it, because it was like all those years I spent in prison, so I was used to it. That lady didn't breath the entire flight. Such peace.
non-partisan, independent body
No such thing. But you are right, I do hate it when people politicize political things, like our political stronghold being attacked, our politician being killed, and our politicians responding to the event. Politizing such politicial things is just wretched. (fyi sarcasm)Again, holding entire countries responsible for the actions of minority groups is not going to work out in the US favour.
But it sure is trendy to do TO the USA.
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134377
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Post by
Aimsyr
Again, holding entire countries responsible for the actions of minority groups is not going to work out in the US favour.
But it sure is trendy to do TO the USA.
Unless I am much mistaken, that was sarcasm, and if you are directing at me in particular, no I do not hold the entire US responsible for what has happened in the Middle East. If it sounded like it, maybe I should have specified the US government/armed forces in my argument.
In that particular quote I was referring to the US as a whole though, since - like it or not - in the eyes of the world it is the US as a whole that ends up taking the blame when those kinds of things happen.
If that was not directed at me in particular, I do agree people sure seem to like jumping on the anti-US bandwagon whenever they get the chance. I'm not anti-American myself, but I still feel the terrorist problem in the Middle East has been handled poorly and incorrectly.
Post by
MyTie
This
is so dumb. This isn't newsworthy. So what if LiLo picks her nose. Honestly, who among us doesn't have to, once in a while, do a little manual cleaning of the intake ducts? I couldn't imagine being so important that my booger retrieval makes the news.
Post by
Gone
http://www.thenational.ae/news/uae-news/courts/off-duty-us-navy-sailor-thwarts-dubai-rape-attempt-with-leg-stranglehold?fb_action_ids=10152754492275389&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582
An off duty female naval officer kicks the &*!@ out of a would be rapist and turns him over to the cops.
Post by
Rankkor
http://www.thenational.ae/news/uae-news/courts/off-duty-us-navy-sailor-thwarts-dubai-rape-attempt-with-leg-stranglehold?fb_action_ids=10152754492275389&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582
An off duty female naval officer kicks the &*!@ out of a would be rapist and turns him over to the cops.
Impressive, but I liked better a similar incident that happened here in venezuela about 4 years ago.
Would-be-rapist tries to assault a young girl (about 17 years old), didn't realized she was the gang-leader of a well armed group of kidnappers :P
She shot him in the groin at pointblank with her concealed sawed-off shotgun.
That's poetic justice.
Post by
240140
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Post by
Magician22773
I'm glad I am able to post again so I can share this amazing story.
A man got deported from Saudi Arabia for being too handsome.
Now you might think this is ridiculous, so did I, until I saw
the guy
.
I completely understand now. I would probably start a riot if I saw this man. I'm being completely serious.
Someone said only god can be perfect, well I found god.
Man, that same thing happens to me ALL THE FREAKIN TIME! It is really annoying, but I have learned to deal with the struggle.
http://www.thenational.ae/news/uae-news/courts/off-duty-us-navy-sailor-thwarts-dubai-rape-attempt-with-leg-stranglehold?fb_action_ids=10152754492275389&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582
An off duty female naval officer kicks the &*!@ out of a would be rapist and turns him over to the cops.
What's even better.....she choked him out with her thighs.
I can hear it now, as his head is being crushed between her thighs....."YOU WANTED IT! Well, NOW YOU GOT IT!"
Post by
240140
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Post by
Adamsm
These people are allowed in public?
There is a difference between having a concern for safety and just being islamophobic.
Sadly, stupids have a 'right' to walk around too. But those last few are scary; but at least the freedom of religion would protect a mosque, same as a church or a synagogue....well unless the Patriot Act gets involved.
Post by
Gone
These people are allowed in public?
There is a difference between having a concern for safety and just being islamophobic.
Sadly, stupids have a 'right' to walk around too. But those last few are scary; but at least the freedom of religion would protect a mosque, same as a church or a synagogue....well unless the Patriot Act gets involved.
Bugging a religious institution doesn't really violate freedom of religion. If anything it's more a violation of the fourth amendment.
Post by
Rystrave
the guy
I would drench him in whipped cream and lick it off of him and he will like it dammit.
Post by
Monday
These people are allowed in public?
There is a difference between having a concern for safety and just being islamophobic.
Sadly, stupids have a 'right' to walk around too. But those last few are scary; but at least the freedom of religion would protect a mosque, same as a church or a synagogue....well unless the Patriot Act gets involved.
Bugging a religious institution doesn't really violate freedom of religion. If anything it's more a violation of the fourth amendment.
Pretty much this. As long as they go through the proper court first, there would be no issues in wiretapping a religious institution.
Post by
Gone
Pretty much this. As long as they go through the proper court first, there would be no issues in wiretapping a religious institution.
Legal issues at least. There are moral ramifications to be considered. Besides the obvious spiritual connotations of violating a place that many people consider sacred, many people also consider places like that almost like a place of therapy. It might not hold the same legal protection as a psychiatrists office, but many people still consider it the same thing.
Although I'm sure that many government agencies would, and do, just bypass the proper channels. Illegally obtained information can't be used in court, but the goal of anti terror is to prevent attacks. Getting convictions is more a secondary objective, and somewhat irrelevant since suspected terrorists can often be held indefinitely without any kind of a trial.
Post by
Adamsm
Priest penitent attempts
; seems to depend on the country/state or province when it comes down to that.
Post by
240140
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Post by
Gone
Do people in churches sit around and plan terrorist attacks? I mean I doubt anyone would do that in a mosque so there is really no point in doing it. I mean really.
I believe the fear is that terrorists would use a mosque to plan things, or store bombs or whatever, knowing it's a safer place than their own homes.
Can we discuss "you can't come to our country because you're a muslim"? Is that not against anything? I'm not American, so this is a question. I'm not implying anything.
That's absolutely a violation of freedom of religion, in addition to being against everything America was founded on. That's a complete bastardism of real American patriotism, its just xenophobia run a muck.
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