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Post by
Dragalthor
No, it's an combination of the war games, which have always been viewed with mistrust by North Korea, and a new leader whose mettle hasn't been tried and has been brought up through the system in North Korea swiftly. The current state of posturing by North Korea has been since the military exercises have started this year and the latest one in direct response to the bomber runs made as part of the exercise.
Whilst I don't agree that all this posturing by North Korea is the right way to go about doing things and certainly the threat of a pre-emptive nuclear strike is very disconcerting, I do believe that all it is is simply posturing by a young, insecure leader of a backwater and alienated country.
The whole situation needs to be treated with kid gloves at this particular stage as a miscalculation by either side could escalate this into a very dire situation especially when you have a man of the ilk of Kim Jong-un with his finger on a nuclear button.
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240140
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Post by
Magician22773
A similar threat was made 3/4 weeks ago. To be honest it’s
probably
a false alarm again
The issue is, when the "probably" won't drop a nuke on Seoul, probably doesn't quite cut it.
AFAIK, this is the only time a country that actually had the capability of a nuclear strike making a direct threat to use that power in an aggressive manner. I may be wrong about that....feel free to Google it...but I can not recall any other country ever making a credible nuclear threat, at least since the cold war.
Your dad nor brother, nor cousin, nor nephew, nor neighbour, unless in army, will be hurt, nor die, nor be affected at all.
How many people in America have no connection to the US Military in any way? Not many. And even for those that do, many Americans consider our military to all be our "brothers", blood or not.
Post by
Dragalthor
I hear what you're saying Magician but I also understand the point that Elura was trying to bring up. The main threat as it stands, AFAIK, is to the peoples of South Korea and, I would suspect, mainly those in Seoul as that is probably the most likely place that, should complete idiocy descend on Kim Jong-Un, would be targeted by a nuclear missile and thus the South Koreans are going to suffer to a greater extreme than anybody else should this happen.
What Elura is trying to point out from her transcripts of blogs from South Koreans and what I was trying to point out when I linked the current UK assessment of the North Korean threat is that, whilst never to this level before, these threats and the current posturing have been seen before and are currently viewed as being nothing more than that at this time. I would even humbly suggest that this is probably also the current assessment by US intelligence agencies as well.
By the looks of things we almost have the perfect storm of events happening on the Korean peninsular; a change in the governments of both North and South Korea and also a large military exercise being conducted between South Korea and the US. An exercise not entirely dissimilar from that which the North Koreans themselves used as a decoy before attacking the South back in 1950.
How many people in America have no connection to the US Military in any way? Not many. And even for those that do, many Americans consider our military to all be our "brothers", blood or not.
This isn't something that is unique to American's alone and lots of other people in other countries feel the same way about those who willing lay down their own lives in sacrifice that others may live free. I would suspect that the vast majority of people the world over have friends or even family that serve in their countries armed forces and are proud of what they do. However, this doesn't mean that those same persons can be both proud of their friends/family and also critical when they think that their country is being pushed into something that they don't need to be pushed into.
Post by
Monday
For the record, North Korea has declared a state of active war with South Korea, something that hasn't happened since the end of the Korean War.
Post by
MyTie
Seeing this on all the south korean blogs
"Dear Americans,
don’t go victimize yourself. Your dad nor brother, nor cousin, nor nephew, nor neighbour, unless in army, will be hurt, nor die, nor be affected at all.
You won’t suffer from this at all, so stop crying and @#$%. It’s not cute. "
"Things people need to know about the whole “North Korea declared war on South Korea” Thing
North Korea is notorious for empty threats
The South Korean government change makes this a perfect timing for North Korea to send empty threats
A similar threat was made 3/4 weeks ago. To be honest it’s probably a false alarm again
North Korea declared that our truce from 1953 is officially over (from their POV) and they’ll treat & report any sort of friction that occurs between SK and NK from now on as ‘war’, and various military actions are being initiated at North Korea right now
But as I said, this does NOT count as North Korea declaring a full-on war against South Korea because things like this have happened before.
South Koreans don’t give a %^&*
we were at war since 1953 anyway sans the bullets and the tanks
US LOVES to show off and flaunt every single ‘wrong’ the North Korean Government does; it’s been extremely exaggerated"
But meh, who cares what South Korea thinks, the only people who would actually get hurt.
My grandpa was an American who fought in the Korean war. I'd talk to him about it, but he's dead. There were 36,516 US casualties in that war. Without the permanent US bases there to defend South Korea, there would not be a South Korea. If North Korea went to war against South Korea, there would be US casualties.
Elura, you don't know what you are talking about.
But, please, keep talking. Keep up the anti-American rant, but making yourself look as ignorant of the facts as possible. Perhaps your behavior will deter others from your argument.
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240140
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Post by
MyTie
This isn't an anti america rant, this is an EVERYTHING ISN'T ABOUT AMERICA rant. Sorry bout it sweetheart.
I sure do hope that me not wanting innocent lives to go to waste will make other people want to bomb north korea, woooh fun.
"Hey let's kill an entire country of people" where in the bible is that, exactly?
What are you talking about? I don't want to bomb North Korea. I'm just pointing to the absurdity of your position that a Korean war wouldn't affect the US. We are their principle military supporter. Come on, Elura. Normally, I would be inclined to agree that something isn't "all about the US", but this is a huge huge factor for the US, and the US is a huge huge factor for it. Without the US military, the South Koreans do not stand a chance against North Korea and their sponsors.
Oh yeah, and please, don't call me "sweetheart". I find it patronizing, and kinda gross.
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240140
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Post by
MyTie
Consdering the fact that South Korea don't even find the NK threat to be well... a threat at the moment, it makes no sense for all of america to be up in arms about it. And their "sponsors" arn't behind them on this. Every man in South Korea are part of their army, every single one of them, yet you don't see them go "oh $%^&, jong eun is talking &*!@ again, bomb them!". Maybe that's because if you do bomb NK, you can just go back to your little mainland, while the rest of asia will be stuck there, dealing with the effects. If the US doesn't want to be a big factor in every war ever, then maybe stop walking in there like anyone asked for you, sweetheart.
I'm not going to respond to anything you say, until you drop the "bombing North Korea" strawman. I never talked about bombing them. You pulled that out of your butt. So, you can go ahead and drop it.
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240140
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Post by
MyTie
Ehm no, that's where this all started, no one was even talking to you.
Even if you like to pretend that that isn't what you want, it is a very common thought among americans for some reason. Oh maybe it's the fact that in history you only get taught what wars you win or lose, not about the countless people you slaughter.
You people in Sweden think things all about you. You think you can go bomb South Korea, and then just go home. Well, you can't. And, it's not cool, Elura, bombing an entire country. I just wish you would realize that.
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240140
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Post by
MyTie
You are adorable.
This
is what everyone in the US looks like. We like to bomb people before lunch, preferably children, the more innocent the better. To make sure we get all the kids, we carpet bomb. We figure out who by throwing a dart at a spinning globe.
Or, if you prefer, you stop pretending to be self righteous beyond the facts of the situation. One reclusive country with nuclear weapons threatening to destabilize an entire region, one that the US has particular interests in, both diplomatic, economic, and militaristic.
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240140
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Post by
Adamsm
Elura, now may be a good time to stop here.
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240140
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Post by
MyTie
No... let her continue. It's entertaining.
South Korea doesn't need the US. Please elaborate.
Edit: You know it is a bad sign when everyone on your side of the debate wants you to stop talking, and the other side wants you to keep going. To me, that would be a neon warning sign. It would sayWARNING
Perhaps you should double check your info, sources, and ideas, before you continue talking.But that's just me. Elura, I invite you to continue posting about this. I've got to go to evening Church, but when I get back, I look forward to reading what you posted.
=D
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240140
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Post by
Orranis
Why would SK
need
the US? Only country I can think of that truly needs the US is israel because without you they'd be blown off the planet ages ago.
I disagree Israel has more than enough nuclear warheads to do without us. We're just nice to have. It kind of makes all the aid we give them more pathetic if anything.
I don't know enough about S. Korea to make a statement, but I'm sure even if they did need aid and we weren't there South Korea would be able to find another super-power to lend it some aid.
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