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Post by
Magician22773
in many parts of Philadelphia, a Democratic stronghold, voter turnout in contested elections
routinely exceeds 100 percent of registered voters
. But because the Democrats control the local elections board that supervises voting in the city, there is no accountability for this obvious fraud. If it is enforced, the voter ID law may make this rather flagrant method of cheating a bit more difficult this year.
Source
Logical extrapolation can reasonably conclude that if it is happening in 1 major city, that is is happening in other areas as well.
traditionally Democrat-supporting voters, namely, the elderly, college students, minorities, and those on fixed incomes.
First, if they can get to the polls to vote, they can get to a DMV to get an ID. The same groups that shuttle them to vote, could provide assistance when needed to get an ID, if it were required. The only 2 groups that I even feel have a partially valid argument here are elderly and disabled persons. I have no doubt that there would be assistance provided to them to get an ID if the law were passed...
errr.inforced.
College students
? Why would a college student not be able to obtain ID? Have you ever applied for financial aid? Its like a job application, a tax return, and a family genealogy report combined, and 100 times more difficult. The SAT and ACT were the easy parts of getting into college... financial aid was the real test.
Minorities
? Race card anyone? What makes it harder for blacks to get an ID? Pretty sure the process is the same regardless of skin color. Unless that "minority" is an illegal alien that has NO RIGHT at all to vote in my country.
Fixed income
? All, or most states will waive the fee for ID for those with little or no income. Not sure about other states, but the fee in Missouri is $7.50 for a non-driver ID, and it is waived with just a checkmark on the application. No proof required, no questions asked.
The real group that has a very difficult time with getting proper ID are the dead people, illegals, and those that want to vote more than once. I will agree, those groups lean Democrat, so you do have a valid point there.
This really is the most ignorant law, or lack of law, I can think of. I need an ID for nearly everything. Getting a job, buying a beer or pack of smokes, writing a check, driving a car,......the list goes on and on. But voting for the most powerful individual man in the world....nah...."we'll take your word for it"
Post by
HiVolt
in many parts of Philadelphia, a Democratic stronghold, voter turnout in contested elections
routinely exceeds 100 percent of registered voters
. But because the Democrats control the local elections board that supervises voting in the city, there is no accountability for this obvious fraud. If it is enforced, the voter ID law may make this rather flagrant method of cheating a bit more difficult this year.
Source
Logical extrapolation can reasonably conclude that if it is happening in 1 major city, that is is happening in other areas as well.
Read the links inside the articles you cite. From the first line in the
second link
given by your source: Gov. Tom Corbett and his administration haven’t produced an example of what he meant when he said some Pennsylvania precincts have voted at “over 100 percent,” but complaints by the state Republican Party about voting in Philadelphia suggest he may be right.
It’s not clear, however, whether that was fraud. So, those Republicans in Pennsylvania may be complaining heavily about fraud, but as of right now, they have no proof that it has actually taken place. Should it be investigated? Sure. Should it be legislated upon without that proof? No.
traditionally Democrat-supporting voters, namely, the elderly, college students, minorities, and those on fixed incomes.
First, if they can get to the polls to vote, they can get to a DMV to get an ID. The same groups that shuttle them to vote, could provide assistance when needed to get an ID, if it were required. The only 2 groups that I even feel have a partially valid argument here are elderly and disabled persons. I have no doubt that there would be assistance provided to them to get an ID if the law were passed...
errr.inforced.
Who's going to get them there if they can't get there on their own? Busses, funded either by campaigns or the state, go out to take elderly and disabled voters to the polls. They don't get the same luxury to go and get an ID as of right now. If those means were provided, I would agree, but they're not.
College students
? Why would a college student not be able to obtain ID? Have you ever applied for financial aid? I'm in college right now. Didn't have to produce any form of photo ID or any form of ID with my signature on it to apply for financial aid, because I didn't have to apply in person. I did it online. Voting only takes place in person with the exception of absentee voting.
Minorities
? Race card anyone?
Here you go.
According to the Brennan Center for Justice at the New York University School of Law, as many as 16 percent of Latinos and 25 percent of African Americans may not have government-issued photo IDs.
There's also this.
Fixed income
? All, or most states will waive the fee for ID for those with little or no income. Not sure about other states, but the fee in Missouri is $7.50 for a non-driver ID, and it is waived with just a checkmark on the application. No proof required, no questions asked. Again, how do they get there? Fixed income voters are more likely to not have the means for transportation than those not on fixed incomes. Can they pay a taxi for transport? Or get a bus ticket? Yeah. But that, like paying for the ID, which they may have to do, is something they likely can't afford with their disproportionately low budgets. I don't know what the laws are for waiving fees for those with fixed incomes in all the states that passed the new Voter-ID laws, so, I'm not totally prepared to argue this point. Take it as a victory if you want, I don't really care.
The real group that has a very difficult time with getting proper ID are the dead people, illegals, and those that want to vote more than once. I will agree, those groups lean Democrat, so you do have a valid point there. Wow... I can't tell if you're trolling me or not anymore, so I'm going to stop here. But before I do that,
I'm going to reiterate that the only ones being investigated for voter fraud in this election cycle is Strategic Allied Consultants, a Florida-based consulting firm that, before the investigation was launched, was supported by the GOP.
Post by
gamerunknown
Thought pikeyboy would enjoy
this
.
Greg Palast breaks down the Koch connection
here
.
Post by
ElhonnaDS
Story
Apparently, the Romney campaign asked a small family restaurant if they could use them as a campaign stop, and the restaurant said that they didn't want to be part of the campaign since they were not Republicans or Democrats. Romney apparently named them specifically in an article as having refused to host the event, and now they're getting death threats, hate mail, fake orders and reservations, and people just generally trying to put them out of business.
My question is what purpose could mentioning them by name have possibly served, for Romney, other than getting them this kind of attention? How does it even come up that you publicize the name of event venues you aren't going to use? I can't imagine a reason that the information about the restaurant would have printed in the article at all other than as some kind of petty revenge for being turned down.
It's interesting that someone who is trying to become president takes the time, and wastes the press coverage, to slam a small family restaurant publicly for not wanting to host his campaign stop.
Post by
Adamsm
Found the article that started that
....and that writer needs a swift solid kick in the ass.
Second article release today
. /sigh Can't believe the stupidity of some people; and the comments on the first article are some of the 'best' proof of said stupidity, with only a small percent not full of biased crap.
Post by
Magician22773
Romney apparently named them specifically in an article as having refused to host the event
Any links to the source where Romney named them? I can't find anything but articles where news agencies named them, and where they named themselves.
Post by
Adamsm
It was the writer who said that; but well, you know how people are in regards to politicians they support.
Post by
Magician22773
It was the writer who said that; but well, you know how people are in regards to politicians they support.
Thats kinda what I was thinking as well. Its no surprise that I support Romney (well, in all fairness, I
oppose
Obama...I would have voted for a dirty sock if it would get him out of office), but it would have been disappointing, at best, if Romney had made an issue out if this.
From reading what I have found on this, it looks more like the writer / blogger, and the son (via Facebook) are the ones that made an issue out of it. People, especially the restaurant owners son, should be smart enough to know that during this point of an election, each party is like a sports team fanatic.
Build a sports bar in the middle of Denver, and decorate it with a bunch of KC Chiefs memorabilia, and you would have a similar reaction.
It was their right to refuse to a part of the campaign, but by making a public ordeal out of it, they kinda got what they should have knew was coming. (Not that I agree with what they got...they just should have known it wasn't gonna end well)
Post by
Adamsm
Yeah but hate mail and death threats for saying they don't support a side? That's a bit much.
Post by
Magician22773
Yeah but hate mail and death threats for saying they don't support a side? That's a bit much.
I agree 100%, but again, it's expected behavior, especially as charged up as this election cycle is. A similar incident occurred with Biden a while back, right after the "You didn't build that" comment. He wanted to stop at a small business, and was denied because the owner did not agree that he did not build his own business. The same reactions happened then. He was called a racist. Boycott's were called for. And the Repub's came out in support for him.
And lets not forget about Chick-Fil-A. How many death threats do you think the CEO got there?
Its just another sign of how internet anonymity has changed how people react. If someone actually showed up in person to threaten the restaurant, I would be shocked. But tweets and Facebook posts.... I'm not surprised.
Post by
Adamsm
Well there are the idiots who call in to the restaurant, make massive orders of food, then say 'haha, just kidding'; that ain't helping there business. Check the link for the article I put up from today to see more of what the morons are doing.
Edit: And it was the writer more then the son though; the son told the site his parents stance, and that they would have been more then willing to have Romney come in and eat; he just couldn't use it as a publicity platform. It's everyone else who have seemed to blown this up to the family refusing to serve Romney.
Post by
Magician22773
At least they aren't
threatening
a teenage girl with violence and comparing a Romney / Ryan T-shirt with "KKK" outfit.
Post by
gamerunknown
Oh yeah, that article came up in the "Stupid Liberal Idea of the Day" thread. I think some of
the responses
were a little tongue in cheek.
To be fair though, she's a state employee and is thus capable of violating the first amendment by restricting people's political speech.
Public school teachers aren't exactly loved at the moment, so they should all be on high alert not to tread on toes.
Post by
ElhonnaDS
Is it me, or are common people getting crazier and crazier with each election cycle. I have never in my life heard about more ridiculous breaches of common sense and common decency, more circus acts, more random displays of hate and nastiness over political parties by regular citizens, etc. (on both sides) than I have in the last 2 elections cycles.
Post by
HiVolt
Is it me, or are common people getting crazier and crazier with each election cycle. I have never in my life heard about more ridiculous breaches of common sense and common decency, more circus acts, more random displays of hate and nastiness over political parties by regular citizens, etc. (on both sides) than I have in the last 2 elections cycles.
No, it's not just you. It's because political ads and political punditry saturate the news media these days. Nearly any news piece you watch or read is likely to have some sort of political spin, however subtle, and it doesn't help that nearly every political ad is a divisive attack ad. We're inundated with negativity on a daily basis, so it's no wonder that people have just become more partisan than ever.
Post by
Atik
At least they aren't
threatening
a teenage girl with violence and comparing a Romney / Ryan T-shirt with "KKK" outfit.
The teacher apparently claimed she was joking. Admittedly, I know teachers who would make jokes like that, but it would be fairly obvious...
Post by
Magician22773
At least they aren't
threatening
a teenage girl with violence and comparing a Romney / Ryan T-shirt with "KKK" outfit.
The teacher apparently claimed she was joking. Admittedly, I know teachers who would make jokes like that, but it would be fairly obvious...
Please tell me what part of anything in that article is funny. I guess I don't see the humor.
Post by
Atik
At least they aren't
threatening
a teenage girl with violence and comparing a Romney / Ryan T-shirt with "KKK" outfit.
The teacher apparently claimed she was joking. Admittedly, I know teachers who would make jokes like that, but it would be fairly obvious...
Please tell me what part of anything in that article is funny. I guess I don't see the humor.
I didn't say the incindent was funny.
I said the teacher claimed to be making joke, in another article about the same event.
I also said I know teachers who would joke like that.
However, I added that in the event of a teacher making that a joke, it would have been glaringly obvious to everyone they were joking.
Post by
gamerunknown
Some interesting comments from
Paul Broun
, the guy who tried to defund the
voting rights act
.
Another forum poster broke it down
here
.
Post by
Dragalthor
An interesting read on
Mitt Romney
about his time as Governor of Massachusetts
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