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Post by
Adamsm
No, it's not worth it: You just proved today that you are just another of the bigoted groups of Christians who are steadily driving this world to hell under the so called freedom of religion.
I'm done with you, that simple.
Post by
Magician22773
I don't think its Christians that are driving the world to hell. I would say the type of people that call an unborn child a "god awful thing" that needs to be "gotten rid of as soon as possible", are the ones that would be behind the wheel of that bus.
Post by
Adamsm
See, that's taken out of context: I was speaking about a child of rape, which sure is hell is not about love when it's being created.
But whatever.
Post by
Magician22773
Oh no, thats in perfect context.
child
you said it...its a child. Rape or not. Its not a bundle of cells. Its a child. It is innocent. And you believe it should be disposed of in a dumpster behind a clinic somewhere. It may have been concieved in hate, but it should not have to die the same.
Post by
Adamsm
Think what you want Magician, I'm tired of smashing my head against a wall.
Post by
Atik
Can we just agree that both sides of any arguement ever will always have their own total idiots?
Seems like we would save a lot of arguing.
Post by
FatalHeaven
Hey, I asked the mods to shut this down 3 hours ago when you fired off an unprovoked, off-topic, unnecessary attack on Christianity, but they had no issue with you bashing my beliefs,
so I see no reason why I don't have the same right.
You sir are not being a very good Christian. We are supposed to be a loving faith. Defend yourself fine, witness as well... but fighting, bickering, throwing insults back and forth? Come on now.... I think you know you're better than that.
I don't think Adamsm is being mature either, but him and I follow different religions. So I can't say much for him. You though, you claim to be a man of God; act like it.
Post by
Adamsm
Fatal anything I really want to say to him would get me banned. At this point, it's easier to just let it drop. Let him think how he wants to think it's just not worth pushing it anymore.
Edit: I admit when I originally wrote that post that I edited out, it was full of things that I was very very pissed about...but then again, that's probably my past coming through to make it worse. I'm not going to apologize for calling Magician a bigot, because to me that is what he is.
As for what kicked this entire thing off: The edit was about all of the religions that push their belief in like it's a 'true' law for all people, whether they follow that faith or not: To me that's just as bad as government intrusion on a person's lifestyle, since if we had to follow religious laws, a lot of people would be in jail or dead for not doing as they say.
Post by
Magician22773
From a more spiritual viewpoint, I am like every other Christian. I fail, daily. I know what is right, and I fail God every single day. I have views that are not very "Chirstian" by any means.....I have a temper. Not so much that I snap at the smallest thing, but I am not one to back down from a fight. I have a very long fuse, but if I am provoked beyond that point, I will stand my ground....if not push forward. I know I should turn the other cheek, but that is something I have never been able to do.
Fatal,
You are right. And I also know my weakness'. Abortion is not something I will walk away from, or try to see the other side of. It is a heinous act of disrespect to human life, and anyone that wants to try to defend it as a 'right', will hear exactly what I think of them.
As for my opinion of Wicca....thats just one intolerant bigots opinion of another intolerant bigots religion. Dance naked in the moolnlight and worship trees if you want, but if you decide to bash my belief, unprovoked, then don't expect me to respect your choice of beliefs in turn.
The edit was about all of the religions that push their belief in like it's a 'true' law for all people, whether they follow that faith or not:
The topic was abortion. Honestly, my opinion of abortion has less to do with my religion, and more to do with the innocence of an unborn baby. You don't have to be a Christian to not believe in murdering an innocent child. Your decision to combine the two, and bash 'religions' for shoving their beliefs in your face, came out of somewhere other than the topic that was being discussed.
Post by
Adamsm
Edit: Also, I find it very amusing that a lot of people say they don't want the government intruding on their lives, putting in 'unfair' laws and the like....well, I feel the same way, only about the religious groups out there that try to push their 'well meaning and joyous' religion into my face.That was my original statement: No where did I mention any religion by name, you are the one who decided I was talking about Christianity.
As I've said numerous times across multiple threads: I have faced a lot of #$%^ from Christians and Catholics over the last 14 or so years since I've found Wicca.
I've had people tell me I'm going to burn in Hell for all eternity. I've had people tell me I am spawn of Satan. I've had people tell me I'm 'evil' and that I should just go die. I've had a group of morons attempt to smash my skull in and another group throw fairly heavy stones at me. I've also had people try to tell me that God has everything I'll ever want: I don't believe that, and I never had.
I'm sick and @#$%ing tired of someone from another religion telling me what they believe in will make me happy. It doesn't: I tried Christianity when I was younger and it didn't click with me. God and I are not will not and shall not ever be on speaking terms, and from as far as I can tell, He's completely fine with it.
I actually have quite a few friends who are Christian and who don't treat me like a pariah or like I'm someone who needs to be saved. They are fine with me being who am I.
So, I'll lay it down here: I find the extremists of any religion, those who want to impose on other peoples free will and force them to change to be some of the worse people on the planet. I don't care if they think they are doing it for the greater good, they aren't.
I'm sorry if you think your view of life means you know why I follow the Wiccan Creed...but the simple fact is, you don't know ^&*! about me and why I picked it up, so stop acting like you do. Also, if you want someone to respect your religion, at least try to broaden your mind and learn about others, so you don't spout %^&* like what you have here Magician. Respect is a two way street, but honestly, you don't respect many others here on Wowhead so why should I treat you with any respect in return, since you seem fine with condemning people through your own world view.
Yes, I'm pro-choice. Yes I don't think a fetus is a child. And yes, I believe any choice in regards to abortion only belongs in the hands of two people: The Mother and the Father(if he's around). Everyone else, including myself, can all just bugger off and let them do what they feel is right.
Honestly, my opinion of abortion has less to do with my religion, and more to do with the innocence of an unborn baby.I don't see the fetus as a baby.
Post by
Sas148
Magician22773 and Adamsm,
You've both made your points, I do not see any way you two will ever advance this discussion any further than it has already gone. Thus, I'd like to ask the two of you to please move on to a new topic or if you two are never going to see eye-to-eye on anything to simply just stop addressing each other.
We keep receiving reports from a wide variety of people who feel trapped by your conversation here and this is the best way I can think to resolve this valid concern to everyone's benefit.
I thank you both for your understanding in this matter!
Post by
Adamsm
Understood Sas. I'm finished speaking to him.
Post by
Magician22773
Magician22773 and Adamsm,
Was writing this post when this came across. I agree, what needed to be said has been.(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##sas148##DELIM##You may not have seen my post so I'll just remove this text and direct your attention to it.
Edit: Thank you for the acknowledgment Magician. I thank you both!
Post by
gamerunknown
As opposed to what, exactly?
Way I heard it, they're discussing a possible rape exception to an anti-abortion bill. In which case, someone could claim, illegitimately, to be raped. He was saying that they can't have been raped if they're pregnant anyway (which has been covered).
Can we just agree that both sides of any arguement ever will always have their own total idiots?
Both sides are bad, so vote Republican!
Post by
Monday
Both sides are bad, so vote Republican!
RON PAUL FOR 2012!
Post by
Squishalot
Way I heard it, they're discussing a possible rape exception to an anti-abortion bill. In which case, someone could claim, illegitimately, to be raped. He was saying that they can't have been raped if they're pregnant anyway (which has been covered).
From what I read, the official Republican platform (ignoring the one-offs who make fools of themselves... there's one in the UK at the moment as well -
it's not rape if they're asleep
?) is a
pro-life one in relation to abortion
.
Post by
Azazel
Even Mexico is ahead of the US when it comes to this.
Post by
Adamsm
From what I read, the official Republican platform (ignoring the one-offs who make fools of themselves... there's one in the UK at the moment as well -
it's not rape if they're asleep
?) is a
pro-life one in relation to abortion
.
Well if that goes through, gonna be a lot more people heading to Mexico or Canada to get an abortion...
Even Mexico is ahead of the US when it comes to this.
Heh, well that's interesting; but not unexpected.
Post by
557473
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Squishalot
Well if that goes through, gonna be a lot more people heading to Mexico or Canada to get an abortion...
I would have thought going overseas to commit a crime would be considered criminal in some way? I mean, I don't think you could reasonably take someone over international waters, shoot them, come back, and justify how you didn't break any laws. I'm sure there are laws surrounding that.
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