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t2teddy
I've been in a guild where a trusted member absconded with all the purples, blues and gold. This was stuff we'd all contributed with the understanding that each of our core raid group was going to be completely outfitted from the stuff in the bank.
We had agreed to wait until there were all the necessary pieces in there to gear up every member all on the same day. Then we were going to make a day of taking on Ulduar for the first time.
We got our last 2 healer drops last Friday.
When everyone logged in at 6 pm server time Saturday, we quickly discovered the bank was empty except for low level greens and enchanting mats. The member in question was gone. Period. Not in the guild, nowhere to be found on the server under his current username.
None of the gear was on the market either.
So it seems he must have either passed everything to an alt and deleted the toon we knew, or changed his name, or left the server entirely.
I've no doubt a certain poster above, would love to give our culprit a high 5 for his actions. However, in our eyes, the guy is a thief, and if we ever find him in-game, he's not going to enjoy playing because he'll be corpse running a whole lot.
Stealing in game is the same as stealing in real life. It hurts other people who have worked hard for what was stolen. It is a criminal action, pure and simple.
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NeoBlackheart
Stealing in game is the same as stealing in real life. It hurts other people who have worked hard for what was stolen. It is a criminal action, pure and simple.
Stealing in game (digtal goods) is
not
the same as stealing in real life (physical goods), period.
Yes it has the same emotional effect on a person, but it is not the same as stealing IRL. Did you put in a GM ticket?
Stealing IRL is punishable by
law
. Stealing on wow will most likely get your account banned, or your name blacklisted in the wow community, thats the most that will happen, ever.
Oh but stealing digital goods is OK? ok then why don;t I hack the National bank and take all the digital money listed there and put it into my DIGITAL bank acount and use it with my Debit card to buy physical good?
SURE I DIDN"T STEAL A SINGLE PHYSICAL GOOD! I WON"T GET IN TROUBLE.
People like this really make me mad. I didn't just spend 10 days waiting for something to happen to have it stollen from me or my guild.
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thelaks
Stealing in game (digtal goods) is
not
the same as stealing in real life (physical goods), period.
It may be policed differently but it is still stealing. Why should you distinguish between digital and physical goods? Downloading software without paying is stealing, taking someone's ideas as your own is stealing, yet these are not physical. If it is not your property, and you take it without consent, you have committed theft.
The fact that you seem to believe that taking what does not belong to you is justifiable is the core of the issue.
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Afoxi
My experience on something similar to this was kind of the opposite. I was in a fantastic guild. Truly awesome. There were probably 50 people i knew by name/alts and that guild was full of laughter. It was mainly a leveling guild-to date the only 'good' leveling guild i have seen. Then a 'rival' guild butted in. I couldn't quite figure out exactly why his guild was out to get us but i believe it had to do with a few of their officers formerly being in our guild and they were kicked(kicking generally consisted of us having proof they ninja'd things, them being a-holish to people for no good reason, being incredibly immature when people ask to stop, etc). It definetely went deeper though.
This guild literally ripped the guild apart. They stopped trying to convince me after a VERY short conversation with some of their members, but they got hold of at least three members i knew pretty well. They did everything they could to make it look like the top people in the guild were ^&*!@#$s. They photoshopped instance pics, they tried to get a few people banned for botting(which they weren't), they even tried to keylog(and succeeded on at least one occasion) some people.
It was at this point that probably a third of the guild of both regulars and 'newcomers' pretty much quit the guild or started HELPING them. The top brass were deciding if it was even worth keeping the guild(the top, say, 4 people were together by family or friend IRL). They did decide to but I was done. I had been bored of wow for about a month and the main thing that kept me going on leveling was always having a fun time in guildchat-but it was a bloodied warfield by then.
Since then i've gone to PvP(and rppvp) servers where i have yet to find as good of a guild but have probably had just as much fun(once i started playing again).
Something like this happened to <twelvth knight> of Dragonblight, except the "rebellion guild" has like 27 people versus our hundreds, and there's at most 2 people on in that guild. Nowadays it seems like the guild is empty (I keep a spy in that guild just to check if they've stolen our members once in a while, they took like 4 people only, but they apparently try).
It's sad that they never really got very far, half our guild didn't even notice whatever they're trying to do.
One officer still has me keeping tabs on them though.
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Paah
Contrary to popular opinion, the guild leader does
not
own the guild. Blizzard does. So even if you've sunk your heart and soul into your guild, if you then decide to make off with the guild bank, don't be surprised if you find it taken away from you with a disciplinary mark on your record.
That is true, but you can't really "steal" it from Blizzard, unless you somehow transport it to another game.
Which, is not possible.
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dumac
Well my Guild in Vanilla wow who was very sucessful on the server, we got to twins so not top best but still good. Had a nasty Guild break. The leader who ran the guild had a few officers he thought he could trust, instead in the 11th hour they backstabbed him and created another guild with some resources and lured the best raiders from the guild. The guy who did it was a total arse to be honest, he never talked much to regular raiders and kept mostly to himself and some other officers. We lost 1/3 of our members but they had got all the best gear so our progress stopped and reversed. Also we had no head ups what so ever so it really broke the guild spirit, later another break came and the few who stayed managed to sober up luckily in tbc and created another guild. The Core stayed in different guild names until today and we got a really trusty guild relations to each other, we learned some misstakes then we raided in TBC like being to hardcore so we are more focused on being a serious raiding guild who has a nice atmosphere. We never yells and our officers are elected by the members and gains their status by total trust, also no officer got absolute power, we spread it on a few persons. They say power corrupts so:) A good guild, no chance in hell a member will steal.
In TBC our guildmaster got hacked, he had a really secure check on password and used long and number letter types. He changed around once a week so we had some really bad luck there. The hacker robbed our guildbank who contained around 300 void crystals, 50 heart of darkness and several other expensive mats and alot of potions and elixirs. We lost around 200k gold, but was luckily re-imbursed with restored items so we got it back after a few weeks. Then we logged in and found out people just went berserk and we quickly found out that the hacker had invited an alt which he transfered the mats on by giving him full access. We spammed the alt and TRade chat went berserk by our warnings. Lets say it was a really angry mob, the officers even had to calm us members down. One of the few times i been really angry in wow. Also a few other guild got hacked that day so probarly same hacker.
My favorite realm drama was then one of our server top guild. Who had been first with everything, in vanilla later half suddenly had a guild split. The thing was this was before the bank system we have so people used a so called bank alt to store guild common money/materials. The person who owned the bank alt by his account joined the other guild as an officer. The top Guild had a really angry discussion between the outbreak guild, this is understandable, but the funny thing was that they posted this on the realm forum and it really turned into a public entertainment then they first went to being logical and then they became irrational and backtalked each other. WE got around 20 pages before it calmed down but it was a real show:)
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Afoxi
Stealing (or being an asshat) in games can be justified if the rules (and creators) encourage it, ala. EVE.
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