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Post by
MyTie
The pope isn't Christian?
Not even slightly.
Post by
Laihendi
Pope
–noun
1. (often initial capital letter) the bishop of Rome as head of the Roman Catholic Church.
2. (in the early Christian church) a bishop.
3. a person considered as having or assuming authority or a position similar to that of the Roman Catholic pope.
4. the title of the Coptic patriarch of Alexandria.
5. Eastern Church.
a. the Orthodox patriarch of Alexandria.
b. (in certain churches) a parish priest.
Catholicism
–noun
1. the faith, system, and practice of the Catholic Church, esp. the Roman Catholic Church.
Catholic Church
–noun Roman Catholic Church.
a visible society of baptized Christians professing the same faith under the authority of the invisible head (Christ) and the authority of the visible head (the pope and the bishops in communion with him).
http://dictionary.reference.com/
Post by
MyTie
Under pope, I love how the dictionary only mentions 'christian' once, and gives a time referance that is explicitely not in todays frame.
The Catholic Church defintion is debateably incorrect for numerous reasons. I'll give one example:
1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behavior... etc etc
I like to point out how the Bible directs bishops to be married, and how the Catholic church directs them to be celebate.... decidedly NOT the Christian way....
Post by
Laihendi
Under pope, I love how the dictionary only mentions 'christian' once, and gives a time referance that is explicitely not in todays frame.Why would it say the same things twice in one definition? And the time frames are the lives of various notable popes. Did all the numbers confuse you?
The Catholic Church defintion is debateably incorrect for numerous reasons. I'll give one example:
1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behavior... etc etc
I like to point out how the Bible directs bishops to be married, and how the Catholic church directs them to be celebate.... decidedly NOT the Christian way....
Didn't you say earlier in this thread or another that religion isn't just about the bible?
Post by
MyTie
Under pope, I love how the dictionary only mentions 'christian' once, and gives a time referance that is explicitely not in todays frame.Why would it say the same things twice in one definition? And the time frames are the lives of various notable popes. Did all the numbers confuse you?No. When they defined pope there was NO MENTION of him being a Christian. The only time that 'Christian' is mentioned is in reference to the early Christian Church. The rest is about the 'Catholic Church'... aparently the two are not the same.
The Catholic Church defintion is debateably incorrect for numerous reasons. I'll give one example:
1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behavior... etc etc
I like to point out how the Bible directs bishops to be married, and how the Catholic church directs them to be celebate.... decidedly NOT the Christian way....
Didn't you say earlier in this thread or another that religion isn't just about the bible?I say that organized religions are people who do not follow the Bible. I say that Christianity IS following the Bible, which are the teachings of Christ. Obviously you have a very hard time reading my points. I'll repeat them for you:1) In order to be a Christian you must follow the teachings of Christ
2) They were not following the teachings of Christ
3) They were not Christians.My entire point is that Christianity is not the same thing as Organized Religion. When you say 'Christians' and apply that label to various organized religions, you are applying the label incorrectly, since they are not actually followers of Christ.
I will give you an illustration... new post:
Post by
MyTie
Let us say that Laihendi made a book of teachings. All the teaching was "Don't eat doughnuts". Then, a bunch of people calling themselves "Laihendittes" bombard a doughnut store and snarfle down every pastery in sight. The news then puts out a story saying "Followers of Laihendi Eat Massive Amount of Doughnuts". Wouldn't you be a little upset at how inaccurate the news was? Obvously they weren't following you at all.
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85162
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Post by
MyTie
The pope is then insane, yes. Christ said to love your neighbor. That is the religion. The pope said to kill thier neighbor. Is it so very hard for you to see this difference?
What if you show love by killing?
like... necrophilia... .yeah... still insane
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85162
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Post by
MyTie
I figured that's insane, but it would mean that killing the Muslims would be their way of showing love, meaning that they ARE loving their neighbor, and thus following Jesus' main teaching.
I must've missed that verse. Where did Jesus say to love people by running them through with a sword? Book chapter verse please.
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85162
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Post by
Laihendi
Under pope, I love how the dictionary only mentions 'christian' once, and gives a time referance that is explicitely not in todays frame.Why would it say the same things twice in one definition? And the time frames are the lives of various notable popes. Did all the numbers confuse you?No. When they defined pope there was NO MENTION of him being a Christian. The only time that 'Christian' is mentioned is in reference to the early Christian Church. The rest is about the 'Catholic Church'... aparently the two are not the same.
You forgot the part where it says in the definition of
catholic church
that it is "a visible society of baptized
Christians
".
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85162
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Post by
MyTie
You forgot the part where it says in the definition of
catholic church
that it is "a visible society of baptized
Christians
".
Depending on what it takes for you to call someone Christian, they aren't necessarily a society of Christians at all.I didn't forget that. I addressed how they that definition is inaccurate, and I explained why. He choose to ignore that. I'll quote myself for his benefit, though I doubt he will pay attention this time either:The Catholic Church defintion is debateably incorrect for numerous reasons. I'll give one example:
1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behavior... etc etc
I like to point out how the Bible directs bishops to be married, and how the Catholic church directs them to be celebate.... decidedly NOT the Christian way....Christian =/= Catholic. I expect Laihendi will wait for about another half a page and say something like "What about Catholics... they are Christians".... and we'll all be back at square one again. Then when I point out how he can never get off of point A, he will say "No, you" or something like that. We've been over his method of debate many times on various different subjects. It's very irritating.
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334295
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Post by
MyTie
Whoa back the truck up- first off the word "bishop" in the KJV is probably just the preference of the translation. I don't know what the original greek word used was, am too lazy to look it up right now, but in the NIV translation the word is "overseer." King James probably thought hey let's use the word bishop since it fits with the overseers of that time.
επισκοπον was the greek work used. It means 'superintendant', or, as you said, 'overseer'.
Bishop means 'overseer'.I don't know your christian denomination, but I'm guessing it's some sort of fundamental protestent, since you're claiming that catholics aren't christians. As proof you say that they don't follow the teachings of christ by adding some things like bishops can't be married. Well guess what, every denomination adds crap that Jesus never said. I know tons of baptists who think it's wrong to drink alcohol or dance. Where did Jesus ever say that?
As the Bible states, Jesus instructed the Disciples to teach the gospel after Him (Matt 28:19), and then THEY set out these overseer rules. Jesus gave them (the disciples) authority in that verse to do it. Jesus never gave authority to anyone else, nor ever mentioned a pope. So, no, I am not abritrarily applying rules. I am not just 'adding' stuff. This is what Jesus said, and the people that Jesus gave authority too. I am following Christs teachings. That makes me a Christian. See how that works?Christ basically had two rules: Love god with all your heart, soul and mind, and love your neighbor as yourself. Beyond that, you basically have to belive in Jesus' existence and crucifixtion to claim to follow him. But that's it- who cares if you then define some extra rules to live by so long as they don't conflict with the core of christ's teachings?
As shown above, the Catholicism DOES conflict with the instructions given through the authority of Christ.
Post by
Skyfire
επισκοπον was the greek work used. It means 'superintendant', or, as you said, 'overseer'.
Bishop means 'overseer'.
You cannot equate the two. No other comment.
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